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sjfcontrol wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: Based on my observations of educators I think that the largest roadblock to protecting our children is in fact the teachers and administrators themselves. Compared to the populace as a whole they are more anti than society in general and drink of the liberal koolaid constantly.

Just an observation. The education system is our children's worst enemy.

Anygunanywhere

sjfcontrol wrote: And in more ways than just preventing their protection. The education system is responsible for indoctrinating our children (and grandchildren, in my case) into the rabid liberal, anti-gun, tree hugging, curly-fry light bulb loving, hybrid car mindset. Little Johnny may not be able to read, but he sure can recognize a "bad" lightbulb!

(I apologize for my off-topic rant, but i believe many of the problems we see with the "47%" that believe the government is the solution to every problem is created by the public education system.)

It's not a "belief," it's a fact. It had already started when I was in school, way back yonder. It was at a fever pitch when my oldest started school, and after 1st grade we pulled him and started homeschooling. We have a local "news" video of him being "interviewed" in first grade about "earth day," for which the school had spent weeks of propagandizing. He spouted the environmentalist propaganda like a good little prole, and to this day is highly embarrassed and angry about how he was exploited.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have talked with a few teachers who are anti-gun, but they are a small percentage of the total Texas teacher population. Most, if not all, of those are "not from around here." On the other hand, I've received countless email from teachers and their spouses asking that we modify the employer parking lot bill to cover primary and secondary schools and not to leave those teachers out of a campus-carry bill.

Chas.

I view this as very good news in light of last session's failure to pass campus carry even limited to colleges and universities. I know that you don't have a crystal ball any more than the rest of us but could you share the legislator reaction so far to this teacher feedback? I was at the meeting with Rick Perry on Monday and the NE Tarrant reps who were there seemed to agree with his comments. I worry that the strident Liberal representatives from Austin and Houston could use the coattails of the Federal anti-gun rhetoric to once again stifle any positive change regarding teacher and student protection. We seem to be getting closer to the IL model where the overall population of the State is held hostage by a few Liberal reps from Chicago. It is hard for me to judge whether Austin/Houston reps have gained a similar stranglehold or not.

Don't really have much to add to the discussion, but former teacher here. I put off getting my CHL for years because I couldn't carry at work, and couldn't leave it in the car while at work. I would have happily carried if I had been allowed to.

Birdie wrote:Don't really have much to add to the discussion, but former teacher here. I put off getting my CHL for years because I couldn't carry at work, and couldn't leave it in the car while at work. I would have happily carried if I had been allowed to.

I was in a similar situation: I was very excited to get my CHL in 1995, when they first came out. I drew one of the short straws, and got a two-term term. In 1997, I didn't bother to renew my CHL; I'd been both working and taking classes on a university campus continuously since 1990, and couldn't carry 5 days out of the week! It was so frustrating, and the $140 just wasn't worth it to 'get' to carry on the weekends only.

add Iowa to those agreeing w/ NRA but
Jason Glass, director of the Iowa Department of Education, said the guards should be trained police officers
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/1786733/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Many teachers would opt out given the chance to carry at work. Its not what they signed up for and thats okay. It's the concealed part that will deter the Adam Lanzas of the world. The possibility that they may be taken out early.

preaching to the choir aren't I.

I don't know how I missed this thread.

I do not know where the Texas school district is that is in the article, but it is great.

Teachers should have the OPTION to carry if they have a CHL, but then again so should every CHL also.

handog wrote:Many teachers would opt out given the chance to carry at work. Its not what they signed up for and thats okay. It's the concealed part that will deter the Adam Lanzas of the world. The possibility that they may be taken out early.

And that would be the brilliance behind optional teacher/administrator carry. Houston ISD is the largest in the state, and their numbers look like this:

• Number of students: 203,066
• Number of schools: 279
• Number of police officers/security personnel: 205
• Number of teachers/administrators: 15,584
• Also 10,765 full- and part-time employees who serve as substitute teachers or furnish specialized support services, such as technology, transportation, food services, and crafts and trades (let's leave these out of the count for now, but obviously some would qualify)

So a current ratio of one police/security officer for every 0.735 schools. And I assume most, if not all, of the non-LEOs are unarmed. Not favorable numbers.

But if just 5.3% of the full-time teachers and administrators opted in, that would be enough to put three armed teachers into every school in the system. Combine that with CHL campus carry and an increase in the number of LEOs to put at least one at each location, and schools would immediately cease to be no-risk shooting galleries for psychotic cowards.

Skiprr wrote:

handog wrote:Many teachers would opt out given the chance to carry at work. Its not what they signed up for and thats okay. It's the concealed part that will deter the Adam Lanzas of the world. The possibility that they may be taken out early.

And that would be the brilliance behind optional teacher/administrator carry. Houston ISD is the largest in the state, and their numbers look like this:

• Number of students: 203,066
• Number of schools: 279
• Number of police officers/security personnel: 205
• Number of teachers/administrators: 15,584
• Also 10,765 full- and part-time employees who serve as substitute teachers or furnish specialized support services, such as technology, transportation, food services, and crafts and trades (let's leave these out of the count for now, but obviously some would qualify)

So a current ratio of one police/security officer for every 0.735 schools. And I assume most, if not all, of the non-LEOs are unarmed. Not favorable numbers.

But if just 5.3% of the full-time teachers and administrators opted in, that would be enough to put three armed teachers into every school in the system. Combine that with CHL campus carry and an increase in the number of LEOs to put at least one at each location, and schools would immediately cease to be no-risk shooting galleries for psychotic cowards.

I think you got it backwards...should read "0.735 police/security officer for every school".

RPB wrote:add Iowa to those agreeing w/ NRA but
Jason Glass, director of the Iowa Department of Education, said the guards should be trained police officers
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/1786733/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't understand why some of these people keep insisting that only police officers should be armed. The teachers that choose to get/have a CHL and can pass the requirements should be allowed to carry in the classroom.

Say you have 4 police officers roaming the grounds. If it is like Temple or Belton, they would have 15 to 20 acres to cover. Who can say where these officers would be at a given time. If something happened it may take an officer 2 to 3 minutes to respond and longer for all of them. We need speed bumps for last resort.

The teacher that was killed in Connecticut holding the door, trying to keep the murderer out. If she would have had a pistol she would not have had to shot more than 5 to 7 feet. She was trying to hold the door shut when he killed her. Frangible rounds would not work for defense. Doors in classrooms are steel faced on both sides. Frangible rounds will not go through. Need good hollow points.

XinTX wrote: ...Some argue "But what about when the police arrive and now they see the teacher with a gun?" Don't know about you, but the discussion of police arriving at a scene was discussed in my CHL class (as it should).

I'd suggest that the answer to that question should be determined beforehand, developed jointly by the law enforcement agencies who would be training the teachers (yes, I do think there should be some extra training beyond the basic CHL hoops to jump through if a teacher is going to carry in a school, training such as weapon retention, shooting under pressure ( both simulated and real firing ) and basic tactics for having the ability to avoid using the gun (remember, an active shooter is only one of the situations a teacher can face that would qualify as being appropriate for deployment of a firearm).

As others have said, my deployment of a firearm in a school has got to be a last-chance effort, when all other mitigations have either failed, or were inappropriate for the situation.