Crime stats: just the facts

[A-R]

Murder Rate by Offender Race - 2010 (murders per 100,000)
White - 3.2
Black - 17.8
Other race / Unknown - 1.4
Total - 4.8

Sources:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... rtbl01.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics ... -race.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and ... cs2012.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you have a specific link to the murder rate by offender stats? I did some brief searching thru FBI stats and can't seem to find it.

[VMI77]

If you want "just the facts", the elephant in the middle of the room that no one will discuss is the difference in murder rates by race.

Murder Rate by Victim Race - 2010 (murders per 100,000)
White - 3.5
Black - 16.4
Other race / Unknown - 1.2
Total - 4.8

Murder Rate by Offender Race - 2010 (murders per 100,000)
White - 3.2
Black - 17.8
Other race / Unknown - 1.4
Total - 4.8

Also, for everyone who talks about how the US is so violent compared to other countries, this is from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Intentional homicide, count and rate per 100,000 population (1995 - 2011)

UNODC murder rates most recent year
Region Rate Count
Africa - 17.0
Americas - 15.4
Asia - 3.1
Europe - 3.5
Oceania - 2.9
World - 6.9

When people talk about how violent the United States is, we are really like two different countries co-existing in the same geography. The White US murders people at a rate comparable to the overall rate in Europe. The Black US murders people at a rate comparable to the overall rate in Africa. The numbers are what they are.

Sources:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... rtbl01.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics ... -race.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and ... cs2012.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How bold of you to post such politically inconvenient and nearly impossible to air facts. These numbers will never be discussed in the MSM. Even a guy like Alex Jones knows you can't talk about this particular truth in public. I heard part of the Piers Morgan interview with him and he alluded to it by saying 75% of murders in the US are gang-bangers killing each other.

[Andrew]

While black on black violence in Sub-Saharan Africa is heinous by any measure, Don't forget that the larger portion of the continent, with a larger population base is Arabic. And much of that violence is Arab/Muslim factions directed at Black/Tribal/Christian minorities.

The point I was making the overall differences by race, and I don't really care that much about trying to parse out the subregions of Africa or determine the source of the murders there anymore than I was addressing the rates in the US by state, or metropolitan size, age of perpetrator, or other sub-demographics.

But since you raised the topic:

Eastern Africa 21.9
Middle Africa 20.8
Northern Africa 5.9
Southern Africa 30.5
Western Africa 15.4

Well can't dispute the stats, what do you conclude from them ? What solutions do you propose?

[VMI77]

While black on black violence in Sub-Saharan Africa is heinous by any measure, Don't forget that the larger portion of the continent, with a larger population base is Arabic. And much of that violence is Arab/Muslim factions directed at Black/Tribal/Christian minorities.

The point I was making the overall differences by race, and I don't really care that much about trying to parse out the subregions of Africa or determine the source of the murders there anymore than I was addressing the rates in the US by state, or metropolitan size, age of perpetrator, or other sub-demographics.

But since you raised the topic:

Eastern Africa 21.9
Middle Africa 20.8
Northern Africa 5.9
Southern Africa 30.5
Western Africa 15.4

Well can't dispute the stats, what do you conclude from them ? What solutions do you propose?

The solutions are primarily social and long-term, and mean turning away from socialism and collectivism --IOW, elimination of the welfare/nanny state, elimination of the liberal hold on the public school system, accountability in the media, and severe punishment for violent criminals --such as mandatory life for the use of a weapon in the commission of a felony, and swift executions of those who commit premeditated murder or murder in the commission of another crime. Basically, what it all comes down to is a return to an ethic of individual responsibility and moral behavior....qualities that used to prevail in America before FDR put us on the road to collectivism. I saw a good list of specifics from a 21 year old woman the other day:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-0 ... -difficult

Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your home” will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a “government” job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good..”

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be “demeaning” and ruin their “self esteem,” consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

[Jumping Frog]

Do you have a specific link to the murder rate by offender stats? I did some brief searching thru FBI stats and can't seem to find it.

The links I provided yield all of the raw data.

The list the number of murders by race for murders where the race is known, and the percent white, percent black, etc. are easily calculated. They list total murders. They list population by race. It takes someone 5 minutes with a spreadsheet to calculate the murder rates.

[recaffeination]

I agree it's a problem stemming from culture, not a problem caused by guns.

Maybe that's why the entertanment establishment pushes the gun control agenda so hard. Maybe they know if we took an objective look at the problem of violence in America, we would realize TV, movies, music and other entertainment is a significant, if not the most significant factor. Every culture passes along it's values through story telling. From biblical parables, to Aesop's fables, to Hollywood, the stories a society tells its children shapes the way they think for the rest of their lives.