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I would have agreed with you yesterday. After seeing what McConnell did on the fiscal cliff, I don't know.

Weg wrote:Maybe I am a pollyanna, but I just don't think it's gonna happen, new AWB ban on the federal level. In fact, I don't even think Reid would let it through the Senate, even if he does, I can't see the House passing any kind of AWB ban. We'll see if i'm right, but i'm making no contingency plans, but then again, i have all the AR's I want. On a side note, when I lived in Cali., I remember someone making a .556 pump that took AR mags, not sure who it was, but sounded like a decent non-semiauto option at the time.

I agree. I don't see the votes for anything of consequence. They've been peddling this same weapons and magazine ban since 2004 and it has never come to fruition. People make stupid irrational decisions based on emotion. I think we all know you don't make rash decisions based on emotion. Rahm said never waste a good crisis, but all I see are two siblings fighting over who did the most cleaning on their room, yet it still looks like a disaster. The next two years are going nowhere.

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If that happens, and the American people just take it... that won't be the beggining of the end but, it will sure be the end of the beginning...

Chris wrote:I own a few WWII era Enfields. For bolt action rifles with ten round magazines, they can sustain a very fast rate of accurate fire. And not a lot of people are taking 303 British off the shelves.

Ruger Gunsite Scout, .308 Winchester, 10 round removable box magazine, 1.5-5x33mm Leupold Scout Scope. Not the same caliber, but a handy bolt rifle in a battle rifle caliber.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Chris wrote:I own a few WWII era Enfields. For bolt action rifles with ten round magazines, they can sustain a very fast rate of accurate fire. And not a lot of people are taking 303 British off the shelves.

Ruger Gunsite Scout, .308 Winchester, 10 round removable box magazine, 1.5-5x33mm Leupold Scout Scope. Not the same caliber, but a handy bolt rifle in a battle rifle caliber.

TAM, that's an interesting alternative I hadn't considered. Wonder which action I could learn to work faster - bolt or lever?

I love the .308 round, but it does suffer - like 5.56/.223 - from the current ammo insanity with all the M1 and AR-10 clone buyers hoarding it.

I'm confused...

if you own an AR already, why are you going down this route? My AR will be my home defense weapon regardless. If there is any type of ban, there would almost (nearly 100% likely) be a grandfather type clause. There's just no way it would pass without it. My AR and other guns and rifles will serve the same purpose they do today.

I do have a Marlin 30-30 that would be a nice alternative if I didn't own the AR, but that's a non-issue IMO.

Scott in Houston wrote:I'm confused...

if you own an AR already, why are you going down this route? My AR will be my home defense weapon regardless. If there is any type of ban, there would almost (nearly 100% likely) be a grandfather type clause. There's just no way it would pass without it. My AR and other guns and rifles will serve the same purpose they do today.

I do have a Marlin 30-30 that would be a nice alternative if I didn't own the AR, but that's a non-issue IMO.

My understanding (please correct if I have any of this wrong) is the "grandfathering" as proposed in the synopsis on Feinstein's website includes mandated registration of each banned weapon and magazine under NFA guidelines (same as rules to own a full-auto weapon, short-barrel firearm, suppressor etc), plus assumably paying the $200 NFA tax stamp per item? ... and I'm not sure I would be willing (nor financially capable) to go down that road if God forbid it passes in that form.

So my thought exercise here is to determine what alternative weapons are available to avoid that possibility.

A-R wrote:

Scott in Houston wrote:I'm confused...

if you own an AR already, why are you going down this route? My AR will be my home defense weapon regardless. If there is any type of ban, there would almost (nearly 100% likely) be a grandfather type clause. There's just no way it would pass without it. My AR and other guns and rifles will serve the same purpose they do today.

I do have a Marlin 30-30 that would be a nice alternative if I didn't own the AR, but that's a non-issue IMO.

My understanding (please correct if I have any of this wrong) is the "grandfathering" as proposed in the synopsis on Feinstein's website includes mandated registration of each banned weapon and magazine under NFA guidelines (same as rules to own a full-auto weapon, short-barrel firearm, suppressor etc), plus assumably paying the $200 NFA tax stamp per item? ... and I'm not sure I would be willing (nor financially capable) to go down that road if God forbid it passes in that form.

So my thought exercise here is to determine what alternative weapons are available to avoid that possibility.

That very well may be what's proposed. I'd say there's about a 0.0001% chance of it passing in that form.
I didn't know it was proposed that way though. That explains this thread... thanks.

I currently do not have a revocable trust for firearms, as I have no Class III items in my collection and have not found creating one necessary. I am actively pursing this, however, and have been in contact with two attorneys in my area. My thought is that I may still be able to pass on restricted firearms to family members this way, in the event that transfers are prohibited. If all of the concern is for naught, then at least I don't need to seek the head of local LE to approve a future Class III acquisition.

In terms of weapons, I totally agree with TAM's suggestion of a Ruger Gun Scout in .308. If the ranch-style Mini-14s aren't restricted, one as well for my 5.56 needs.

A-R wrote:Reading elsewhere, seems pistol-caliber lever-action rifles are as easy to find as AR-15 items (Marlin stopped production a few years ago, so only Rossi currently produces lever rifles in .357, .44 etc.)

I'm surprised you left out the Henry Big Boy.

Under proposed ban ALL forms of Mini 14/30 would be restricted

As I understand it, ANY semi-auto weapon CAPABLE of excepting ANY magazine that could hold more than 10 rounds is banned.

I agree this is very unlikely she could get something this extreme passed - but Brits and Aussies thought same thing and try buying a semi-auto weapon in those countries. We need to DEFEAT this bill no matter what and not just laugh it off.

Otherwise it's back to the 1960s - wheel guns, 1911s, and manually operated long guns.

baldeagle wrote:

A-R wrote:Reading elsewhere, seems pistol-caliber lever-action rifles are as easy to find as AR-15 items (Marlin stopped production a few years ago, so only Rossi currently produces lever rifles in .357, .44 etc.)

I'm surprised you left out the Henry Big Boy.

I left it out for same reason as the Winchester pistol-caliber levers ... PRICEY - but also they're about 1.5 pounds heavier than Marlin, Mossberg, Rossi lever rifles

A-R wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

A-R wrote:Reading elsewhere, seems pistol-caliber lever-action rifles are as easy to find as AR-15 items (Marlin stopped production a few years ago, so only Rossi currently produces lever rifles in .357, .44 etc.)

I'm surprised you left out the Henry Big Boy.

I left it out for same reason as the Winchester pistol-caliber levers ... PRICEY - but also they're about 1.5 pounds heavier than Marlin, Mossberg, Rossi lever rifles

plus they're tube fed

I sold my Henry Big Boy (and the guy that bought it loves it). But it was just too heavy with the octagon barrel and I found that I did not like the tube loading magazine as much as I thought I would.

I took the money and bought a new Stainless Rossi M92, 16" round barrel, model R92-56018, .38/.357.

I then slicked up the action with a few spring changes and the thing is a neat, light and fast little all weather carbine!

Then ordered and received 500rds .357 and 1000rds .38+P and my contingency plan is complete. But of course the AR is not going anywhere regardless.....

Very satisfied, but they are hard to find.