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What part of the world do you live in? If you're close, I have a solution to your problem in the bottom of my gun cabinet.

Chris wrote:What part of the world do you live in? If you're close, I have a solution to your problem in the bottom of my gun cabinet.

Rockwall Texas

If you ever make your way west, I have an ATI collapsible stock and pistol grip with a saddle carrier on it. You can have it. I won't ever use it again.

Chris wrote:If you ever make your way west, I have an ATI collapsible stock and pistol grip with a saddle carrier on it. You can have it. I won't ever use it again.

How far west?

Gungirl wrote:

Chris wrote:If you ever make your way west, I have an ATI collapsible stock and pistol grip with a saddle carrier on it. You can have it. I won't ever use it again.

How far west?

I live near Arlington.

Trying to decide between a few options...
The Mossy 500 is near the top of the list, but, I'm waffling between wanting the pistol grip (full stock plus pistol grip added, NOT pistol grip only) and not liking the location of the safety in the pistol grip configuration. Seems the pistol grip would assist with recoil management, but pulling the trigger with the safety still engaged is a worry.

Is this a legit concern? or would some simple training/practice fix it?

I've only shot mine a half dozen times or so but have used a shotgun for 20 years and the safety position when using a pistol grip is frustrating. I have not gotten used to it yet and it definately concerns me for when I may need quick access.

RoyGBiv wrote:Is this a legit concern? or would some simple training/practice fix it?

Yes. And yes.

Like I said, I keep mine unchambered near the bed. I practice picking it up, racking it, and turning the safety off before putting it against my shoulder. After that, the "safety" is to keep my finger away from the trigger. . . just like it is on most of my guns.

If BG is already in my bedroom, it's a club until I can perform those two operations. . . but a handy club with fallback firearms nearby.

We use our home alarm every night, have the dog, etc. Also, I'm usually up fairly late and my wife is up fairly early. . . it'd be rare for a BG to have opportunity to enter my house and make it to my room while we were both sleeping and unaware of his presence. I need mere seconds to make it ready.

How much value do you put on the pistol grip vs. a standard stock?

I've only put maybe 10 rounds downrange with a pistol grip shotty, but it was with reduced recoil loads, so, I'm not sure how much of the felt recoil improvement was due to the loads vs the grip...

I'm leaning towards a non-pistol grip 500 [or 590 (or 590A1) - both can be had as 8+1]... The Mossy safety is just in an uncomfortable place for a PG gun. Hard to get my head around having to remove my hand to flick the switch.... Maybe if I still lived in the country and could shoot in my pasture.. I miss those days.

RoyGBiv wrote:How much value do you put on the pistol grip vs. a standard stock?

I prefer the Mossberg safety AND pump release positions for a regular stock. I hadn't thought through the implications for the pistol grip stock when I bought it. . . I noticed it about 10 seconds after installation.

The main thing I wanted in my Knoxx stock was the six-position telescoping feature and the recoil-reduction. . . which I still rave about.

The pistol grip+stock does seem to give me marginally better control, especially for lateral movements, but your assessment of the safety being inconvenient is absolutely correct and I've filed it in my "lessons learned" folder. It wasn't bad enough for me to sell the Mossy or remove the Knoxx stock, though. It's not an issue with the pistol grip apart from the stock like the OP currently has.

I still FAR prefer the significantly smoother action and open magazine loading port of the Mossberg to the Remington 870 Express.

The higher end Remington 870 would be preferable with the Knoxx stock. Honestly though, if I'd spent any more, I would've gone with the Mossberg 590 and still had the same problem.

Go figure.

I have always been trained to carry a shotgun chamber empty, safety off, and trigger pulled. Then, if it's standard policy across a department, it doesn't matter which shotgun you pick up, they all operate the exact same way; rack in a round and ready to fire. It doesn't excuse being unfamiliar with a weapon you may or may not use, but under stress, people do stupid things. Simple is always better.

I used the pistol grip and the collapsible stock in one of the shotgun courses. I took it off when I bruised my cheek during the class. The collapsible stock makes the actual stock part ride a little higher than standard, and when you have to lay down and shoot, it puts it too high on my face. The recoil was catching me right under the cheek bone. I don't know how many people would ever lay down to use a shotgun, but in the class I went to, there were more than enough ways to do so. Standing up, it wasn't an issue at all. Overall, I found that I simply prefer the standard butt stock.

fickman wrote:Go figure.

I was cracking up reading your post... Reminds me of.... Me.. Today..
Thanks for the input.!

Chris wrote:I don't know how many people would ever lay down to use a shotgun,

I made the mistake of shooting a .30-30 from a prone position once.
I was paying too much attention to the business end and not enough to the butt. I feel lucky my collarbone didn't shatter.

RoyGBiv wrote:

Chris wrote:I don't know how many people would ever lay down to use a shotgun,

I made the mistake of shooting a .30-30 from a prone position once.
I was paying too much attention to the business end and not enough to the butt. I feel lucky my collarbone didn't shatter.

There is no easy way to do it. I don't know how those guys did it with those beastly WWII rifles.

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