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Re: Shall not be infringed
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:40 am
by RX8er
SF18C wrote:Just to give a bit more perspective I challenge those here to read the following article and factor this piece of history into their collective 2A thinking!
And for those who fear that weapons confiscation or control is a looming issue, well...it isn't the first time in our nation's often tumultuous history and there are some things we should be aware of when considering joining the, "Give me that ol' tyme militia...give me that ol' tyme millitia...give me that ol' tyme militia...it's good enough for me!" bandwagon
This is only the position, or interpretation, of a very few and way from mainstream.
Re: Shall not be infringed
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:43 am
by Dragonfighter
newTexan wrote:Dragonfighter wrote:
Except for that pesky comma.
Since when do the rules of English, logic, data, reason, or historical intent matter in the debate over "reasonable gun control"?
THINK OF THE CHILDREN! Didn't you see those sage kids standing behind His Holiness on the platform as he signed sweeping reforms with his mighty pen? How can anything compare to that? I'm surprised we haven't all lined up to turn in our death machines...
Sorry, had a crappy day and my sarcasm meter is set to "11".
Dang it, forgot the children.

Re: Shall not be infringed
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:19 am
by A-R
SF18C wrote:Just to give a bit more perspective I challenge those here to read the following article and factor this piece of history into their collective 2A thinking!
And for those who fear that weapons confiscation or control is a looming issue, well...it isn't the first time in our nation's often tumultuous history and there are some things we should be aware of when considering joining the, "Give me that ol' tyme militia...give me that ol' tyme millitia...give me that ol' tyme militia...it's good enough for me!" bandwagon
The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment)....
http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-th ... ve-slavery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is an interesting analysis and well worth reading. Despite the obvious attempt to color 2A as "evil" by linking it to slavery, for an objective, thinking person it actually just adds more weight to the idea that 2A was intended to protect the People and States from the tyranny of a centralized government.
If the goal was purely to enforce slavery, why was 2A not effectively written out with the 14th? Instead - as McDonald opinions proved - 2A was STRENGTHENED by 14A to apply to ALL the newly defined People.
Then GUN CONTROL as a theory was begun by southern whites to disarm freed blacks (gun control laws were never intended to apply to white folks).
Edit: to add in source material
http://constitution.org/cmt/cramer/racist_roots.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are other examples of remarkable honesty from the state supreme courts on this subject. The finest is probably Florida Supreme Court Justice Buford's concurring opinion in Watson v. Stone. In Watson, a conviction for carrying a handgun without a permit was overturned because the handgun was in the glove compartment of a car.(54) Justice Buford wrote:
I know something of the history of this legislation. The original Act of 1893 was passed when there was a great influx of negro laborers in this State drawn here for the purpose of working in turpentine and lumber camps. The same condition existed when the Act was amended in 1901 and the Act was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro laborers and to thereby reduce the unlawful homicides that were prevalent in turpentine and saw-mill camps and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied.(55)
Re: Shall not be infringed
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:39 am
by Purplehood
Then GUN CONTROL as a theory was begun by southern whites to disarm freed blacks (gun control laws were never intended to apply to white folks).
In my mind, that is the origin of Gun Control. I don't know if I agree with the "never intended to apply to white folks" part or not, but I do believe that was the original intent of it.
Re: Shall not be infringed
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:54 am
by anygunanywhere
Carpetbagger gun control laws were also intended to disarm those who fought for the South. Even back then the laws did not apply to the carpetbaggers.
Anygunanywhere