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C-dub wrote:I'm kinda curious about something. How long does a suppressor last? Do you have to rework or replace any of the internals after so many rounds or something?

They are tacticool, but man they make the rifle a bunch longer.

I think the 13 inch handguard on my rifle might make it look longer in the picture than it really is. The M4-2000 is 6.6 inches but only adds 5.1 inches to the rifle once installed. Basically it makes a 16 inch gun the same length as a 20 inch gun. Still only a few inches longer from my body than my pistol with my arms fully extended. That being said, my next NFA stamp will be for a SBR lower. I would like to have a 12 inch upper to keep the overall package about the same length as a 16in carbine. I don't really like anything shorter than 11.5in barrel length because of the velocity loss and because guns that short can be unreliable without a suppressor installed. This is because not enough gas gets directed back but the Can increases gas blow back. Now a piston gun is another story but my guns will be DI. I think a 12in barrel makes for a nice overall package. Also, even though the length doesn't really bother me on the 16in gun, the longer barrel acts as a lever causing the gun to be front heavy. A shorter gun would suffer less from this. I thought about adding a heavier stock such as the Magpul UBR to help balance the gun out as well.

The good ones have a pretty long round life. From what I have read the AAC M4-2000 has a round life of over 20,000 round assuming you are not using a really short barrel or firing on Full-Auto. You can't replace the internals on most of them. Its a double edged sword because in order to make them more durable for the military, AAC completely wields the baffle stack inside the Can which makes them pretty much a solid piece. There are some less expensive brands I.E. HunterTown Arms that are user serviceable. You can screw the tube off and get to the baffle stack. Huntertown was also smart and serialized the base of the suppressor so it is the registered part. That means you can keep the base and mail the rest of the Can back to them and have the baffles replaced. That way you aren't shipping a NFA item which is a pain in the rear. However, the baffles are just stacked on top of one another inside the tube and are not wielded at all. So I would think a baffle strike would not be good. I don't know of anyone having a catastrophic incident because of that but its definitely not as strong as a Mil-Spec suppressor such as the ones AAC makes. AAC's have an Inconel baffle stack that is CNC automated fusion wielded all the way around. I watched an episode of Shooting Gallery where AAC installed a 5.56 Can on a 7.62 gun and fired multiple rounds through it. The first few went through the can and just made the 5.56mm hole into a 7.62 hole. Eventually the rounds just started piling up inside the can behind the blast baffle. Ruined the suppressor but caused no injury, explosion, or anything like that. They cut the can in halve and you could see copper and lead compacted in behind the baffle stack. Probably a non issue but its nice to know they are built that durable since they are basically containing an explosion inside them.

Here is a video on the Huntertown Arms suppressor line. He explains about the round life and replacing the baffles. Pretty interesting.

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C-dub wrote:They are tacticool, but man they make the rifle a bunch longer.

Here is another pic so you can really see how much length is added.



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A certain firearms store in Katy say they will Write me a trust for free if I buy a suppressor or other NFA item from them. I am wondering from a legal standpoint if that is the best way to form a trust. How did you form yours?

psijac wrote:A certain firearms store in Katy say they will Write me a trust for free if I buy a suppressor or other NFA item from them. I am wondering from a legal standpoint if that is the best way to form a trust. How did you form yours?

Black's Law Dictionary succinctly defines "unauthorized practice of law. The practice of law by a person, typically a nonlawyer, who has not been licensed or admitted to practice law in a given jurisdiction.

Unless one of the employees in the store is a lawyer then what they are doing is illegal. Will it work? Probably but we are talking about Federal Firearm laws here. They carry a 10 year prison sentence if you screw up. I used [Pre-paid legal service]. http://tlsnfa.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; They were very nice and really knew their stuff. To be clear you can make a Trust for yourself without a license but you can't do it for someone else. So whomever told you they would do it at the dealer in Katy is practicing law without a license. There are lots of people that do it themselves with computer software such as Quicken Willmaker. However, my Trust is 16 pages long. It's not a normal Revocable Living Trust you make with a computer program. It has specific details dealing with the National Firearms Act. It is clear that your are not trying to bypass any laws and stuff like that. I recommend you pay a lawyer to write your Trust for you and a lawyer that specifically offers NFA Trusts. Sean Cody out of Houston is another good option. He charges more than [pre-paid legal] does but I hear great reviews on his services. [Pre-paid legal service] charged me $299 he charges $450 I think.

Links to some recommended NFA trust lawyers other than the one I used ([Pre-paid legal service]):

http://www.texasguntrustlawyer.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.texasnfatrust.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheDude wrote:

C-dub wrote:They are tacticool, but man they make the rifle a bunch longer.

Here is another pic so you can really see how much length is added.

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Definitely not as long as I thought and many more rounds than I thought too. I thought the round count would be down in the hundreds or maybe up to 1,000.

Congratz on The Stamp! I'm fixin' to buy my third can, hopefully next month. The first two I did with Quicken, but since, I've had a gun trust lawyer do one for me to add some extra to it. The wait will still be the same...

You have to do a trust for each item?

I thought it was buy one trust and put all your items under that one trust.

Ericstac wrote:You have to do a trust for each item?

I thought it was buy one trust and put all your items under that one trust.

You are correct only one trust needed

The shop in Katy may well be breaking the law by writing his trust for him but if they do it for free then is it still illegal? If I make a copy of my trust for someone (for free) then they change the relevent info for themselves, am I practicing law? Also, his trust will still be valid, the words are the same whether he wrote it or someone else. My trust does have a coversheet with the attorneys name and info on it which hopefully the Katy store doesnt (wtih their info). I have advised people in the past on how to handle traffic tickets in the best manner for their situation ( I used to get a lot of tickets and still have a clean record) but it was just friendly advice and I never charged for it. Was I practicing law?

A question I have about it all is, how do the do-it-yourself document preparation services provide documents for a fee and they are not practicing law?

I believe they have a lawyer on staff and use his license.

Okay, I don't know if all of them do or don't. But I do know that you don't have to be a lawyer to prepare or provide a legal document.

So, where is the line? I always thought that it was providing someone legal advice that made the difference but I don't know for sure.

Maybe Chas can shed some light on this for us?

TheDude wrote:

psijac wrote: [Pre-paid legal service] charged me $299

Is that a "member" price, or street price???

Just curious...

[pre-paid legal] member FYI...

stevie_d_64 wrote:

TheDude wrote:

psijac wrote: [Pre-paid legal service] charged me $299

Is that a "member" price, or street price???

Just curious...

[pre-paid legal] member FYI...

Street price. I am not a member of their regular program. For $299 you become a member of their NFA program. They offer transfer protection and will help you fill out any Form 4s for 1s. However, most dealers will fill out the Form 4 for you.

I did make it over to Elm Fork last Friday and put some rounds though the suppressor. Wow!! I was not ready for the gas in my face. LOL. A gas vent and new charging handle are going to be my next purchases. Just FYI for any of you guys that are thinking about cans for your ARs. Gas and debris will come out the charging handle hole in the receiver and get in your eyes and nose. I found a couple of way of dealing with it. A lot of people put RTV silicone around the charging handle. I am gonna try that first. I also found this product but you lose your Forward Assist function.

Forward Assist Gas Vent: http://www.weaponoutfitters.com/ar-gas- ... ifles.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am not really concerned about losing my Forward Assist but I am gonna try this mod first.

RTV Mod: http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ ... ing-handle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh and sorry guys I am not sure about all the legal details. I was just told that it was illegal for someone to make a trust for you that wasn't a lawyer. I do agree that it doesn't make sense that you can make your own legally. I really can only relate what i have been told. I am definitely not an expert on the subject.

rm9792 wrote:The shop in Katy may well be breaking the law by writing his trust for him but if they do it for free then is it still illegal? If I make a copy of my trust for someone (for free) then they change the relevent info for themselves, am I practicing law? Also, his trust will still be valid, the words are the same whether he wrote it or someone else. My trust does have a coversheet with the attorneys name and info on it which hopefully the Katy store doesnt (wtih their info). I have advised people in the past on how to handle traffic tickets in the best manner for their situation ( I used to get a lot of tickets and still have a clean record) but it was just friendly advice and I never charged for it. Was I practicing law?

They may be ok if they dont' charge him. However, since its part of the purchase of a suppressor they might be in violation.


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(3) a person performing acts relating to a transaction for the lease, sale, or transfer of any mineral or mining interest in real property.

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