Varmints have a new reason to quake in their burrows. Winchester has introduced the .17 Winchester Super Magnum, which is not only going to be the world’s fastest rimfire round, but also one that offers a significant performance increase over the .17 HMR (see charts below). It pushes a 20-grain bullet at 3,000 fps, which is 625 fps faster than the .17 HMR. What does that extra velocity buy you?
For starters, with a 100-yard zero, you get a much flatter trajectory. Drop at 200 yards with a 20-grain bullet is just 4.1 inches, compared to 10.7 inches with the same bullet out of the .17 HMR. Perhaps more important is the .17’s ability to resist the wind, which has always been one of the weaker qualities of the Hummer. In a 10 mph crosswind, the .17 Win. Super Mag. will move 7.3 inches at 200 yards, while the .17 HMR drifts 16.6 inches.
I've read all these post several times and I've spent the last couple of hours searching rimfire post.
My basic conclusion is this. The .17 and .22wmr have a lot of common traits with the .17 winning the 200 yard effective range category. The .22wmr drops significantly after 125 yds. I also looked at the cost per round and they ( in normal times) average .19 per round. Plus the .17 doesn't like wind. No wind on a Texas August afternoon I'm not going to the range anyway.
In the last year I've purchased two .223 rifles and I still have a lot to learn about the right grain weights and long range distance.
Looking at it this way I think investing in a good .22 lr and enjoying it out to 100 yards in the way to go.
A good comment was made about 30-06 rifles. I agree with this opinion and may invest in this caliber down the road. There is probably more history with this caliber than any other.
I hope I've accurately represented my comments if not let me know.
Sounds like you know what you want to do with it, now you need to pick a tool to do it with. Let us know what you choose and show us some groups when you pull the trigger.
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My only 22LR rifle is a CZ452FS (full-length stock), and it can shoot better than I can.
I am a 1.5MOA shooter with anything, and it'll do that with the factory irons. It's just plain pretty as well. Not cheap, but not expensive, easy maintenance, and lots of aftermarket parts (springs, triggers, sights) if you're into that sorta stuff. If you're looking for something a bit different and accurate out of the box, the CZ's are definitely worth looking at.
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Mark
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markthenewf wrote:My only 22LR rifle is a CZ452FS (full-length stock), and it can shoot better than I can.
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I am a 1.5MOA shooter with anything, and it'll do that with the factory irons. It's just plain pretty as well. Not cheap, but not expensive, easy maintenance, and lots of aftermarket parts (springs, triggers, sights) if you're into that sorta stuff. If you're looking for something a bit different and accurate out of the box, the CZ's are definitely worth looking at.
That's a beauty and there is a CZ in my future. I've looked real hard at the 512 and 455 series but they are no where to be found right now.
I actually just picked up a new CZ 455 American a couple weeks ago. The selling point to me was that it was a package that included all three barrels (.22LR, .22WMR, and .17HMR). I've yet to shoot anything but .22LR, but even then it was a blast (pun intended). The attraction of the .17HMR and .22WMR is that when times get tough (such as right now) I still see .17HMR on the shelf. As such I've stocked up on it, and a few boxes of .22WMR. This allows me to keep shooting (for a while at least).
Anyhow, here's the gun as I've set it up.
I went out to the range with it this past weekend. Despite about a 15 mph breeze from my 10 o'clock I was able to get some pretty decent groups @ 50 yards. I then dialed up the scope for 100 yards and started breaking clays on the berm @ 100 yards. Even after breaking whole clays into pieces I was able to pick off some of the larger pieces with relative ease. The fact that I'm not that great of a shot tells me this rifle goes way beyond my abilities.
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SigM4 wrote:I actually just picked up a new CZ 455 American a couple weeks ago. The selling point to me was that it was a package that included all three barrels (.22LR, .22WMR, and .17HMR). I've yet to shoot anything but .22LR, but even then it was a blast (pun intended). The attraction of the .17HMR and .22WMR is that when times get tough (such as right now) I still see .17HMR on the shelf. As such I've stocked up on it, and a few boxes of .22WMR. This allows me to keep shooting (for a while at least).
Anyhow, here's the gun as I've set it up.
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I went out to the range with it this past weekend. Despite about a 15 mph breeze from my 10 o'clock I was able to get some pretty decent groups @ 50 yards. I then dialed up the scope for 100 yards and started breaking clays on the berm @ 100 yards. Even after breaking whole clays into pieces I was able to pick off some of the larger pieces with relative ease. The fact that I'm not that great of a shot tells me this rifle goes way beyond my abilities.
Nice rifle, did it come new with three barrels or was it a package someone had put together?
"I am a Free Man, regardless of what set of 'rules' surround me. When I find them tolerable, I tolerate them. When I find them obnoxious, I ignore them. I remain free, because I know and understand that I alone bear full responsibility for everything I do, or chose not to do."
SigM4 wrote:I actually just picked up a new CZ 455 American a couple weeks ago. The selling point to me was that it was a package that included all three barrels (.22LR, .22WMR, and .17HMR). I've yet to shoot anything but .22LR, but even then it was a blast (pun intended). The attraction of the .17HMR and .22WMR is that when times get tough (such as right now) I still see .17HMR on the shelf. As such I've stocked up on it, and a few boxes of .22WMR. This allows me to keep shooting (for a while at least).
Anyhow, here's the gun as I've set it up.
[ Image ]
I went out to the range with it this past weekend. Despite about a 15 mph breeze from my 10 o'clock I was able to get some pretty decent groups @ 50 yards. I then dialed up the scope for 100 yards and started breaking clays on the berm @ 100 yards. Even after breaking whole clays into pieces I was able to pick off some of the larger pieces with relative ease. The fact that I'm not that great of a shot tells me this rifle goes way beyond my abilities.
Nice rifle, did it come new with three barrels or was it a package someone had put together?
