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Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:38 am
by canvasbck
philip964 wrote:When you shoot a robber inside your house, you create a situation where either: the robber dies, so the state has the expense of burying the "victim", lots of paperwork for them, including investigations, grand juries; but mainly a human being is denied the opportunity to be rehabilitated and support the state. Or you wound the "victim" and the state through the new universal health insurance program will have to spend millions on lifesaving medical treatment and then physical therapy so that he can again regain his use of limbs etc, so that he can be rehabilitated and then support the state.

In either case by the use of a fire arm you have cost the state a tremendous amount of money. Obviously this is something they wish to limit, and so will attempt to make illegal, by banning firearms and making it illegal to injure a robber. This is the case now in England, welcome to your future under universal health care. ;-)
In other words, if a robber kicks in my door and my first round is put into his chest, since the robber could possibly survive this single GSW with proper care, I have saved the state millions by continuing to fire into the BG's chest until (1) my gun is empty or (2) the BG is completely incapacitated due to exsanguination, thereby rendering him most likely deceased before care can be given.

Works for me.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:39 am
by texanjoker
jimlongley wrote:
philip964 wrote:When you shoot a robber inside your house, you create a situation where either: the robber dies, so the state has the expense of burying the "victim", lots of paperwork for them, including investigations, grand juries; but mainly a human being is denied the opportunity to be rehabilitated and support the state. Or you wound the "victim" and the state through the new universal health insurance program will have to spend millions on lifesaving medical treatment and then physical therapy so that he can again regain his use of limbs etc, so that he can be rehabilitated and then support the state.

In either case by the use of a fire arm you have cost the state a tremendous amount of money. Obviously this is something they wish to limit, and so will attempt to make illegal, by banning firearms and making it illegal to injure a robber. This is the case now in England, welcome to your future under universal health care. ;-)
I can honestly say that it is my intent to never wound anyone in my house. :evil2:

Personally I fire my weapon until the threat stops.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:40 am
by Redneck_Buddha
canvasbck wrote:
philip964 wrote:When you shoot a robber inside your house, you create a situation where either: the robber dies, so the state has the expense of burying the "victim", lots of paperwork for them, including investigations, grand juries; but mainly a human being is denied the opportunity to be rehabilitated and support the state. Or you wound the "victim" and the state through the new universal health insurance program will have to spend millions on lifesaving medical treatment and then physical therapy so that he can again regain his use of limbs etc, so that he can be rehabilitated and then support the state.

In either case by the use of a fire arm you have cost the state a tremendous amount of money. Obviously this is something they wish to limit, and so will attempt to make illegal, by banning firearms and making it illegal to injure a robber. This is the case now in England, welcome to your future under universal health care. ;-)
In other words, if a robber kicks in my door and my first round is put into his chest, since the robber could possibly survive this single GSW with proper care, I have saved the state millions by continuing to fire into the BG's chest until (1) my gun is empty or (2) the BG is completely incapacitated due to exsanguination, thereby rendering him most likely deceased before care can be given.

Works for me.
No, what he's saying is that you should let the BG kill you and your loved ones so he has the opportunity to be rehabilitated and to become a productive member of society.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:41 am
by pops1982
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I saw this on facebook. I love it.

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‎11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:42 am
by canvasbck
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
canvasbck wrote:
philip964 wrote:When you shoot a robber inside your house, you create a situation where either: the robber dies, so the state has the expense of burying the "victim", lots of paperwork for them, including investigations, grand juries; but mainly a human being is denied the opportunity to be rehabilitated and support the state. Or you wound the "victim" and the state through the new universal health insurance program will have to spend millions on lifesaving medical treatment and then physical therapy so that he can again regain his use of limbs etc, so that he can be rehabilitated and then support the state.

In either case by the use of a fire arm you have cost the state a tremendous amount of money. Obviously this is something they wish to limit, and so will attempt to make illegal, by banning firearms and making it illegal to injure a robber. This is the case now in England, welcome to your future under universal health care. ;-)
In other words, if a robber kicks in my door and my first round is put into his chest, since the robber could possibly survive this single GSW with proper care, I have saved the state millions by continuing to fire into the BG's chest until (1) my gun is empty or (2) the BG is completely incapacitated due to exsanguination, thereby rendering him most likely deceased before care can be given.

Works for me.

No, what he's saying is that you should let the BG kill you and your loved ones so he has the opportunity to be rehabilitated and to become a productive member of society.
Yeah but my way works better. It's cheaper to bury him than to rehabilitate him and my way is 100% effective in preventing recitivism.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:43 am
by Purplehood
While I agree with the sentiment of the article, I was really put off by the name-calling and vitriol spewed by the folks submitting comments for that article. I won't be perusing that website in the hopes of finding an objective audience.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:47 am
by canvasbck
pops1982 wrote:.
I saw this on facebook. I love it.

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‎11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!
Unfortunately, this one isn't true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

I know, snopes is notorious for left leaning "fact checks" but there are absolutely no news sources (even local) backing this up.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:55 am
by pops1982
canvasbck wrote:
pops1982 wrote:.
I saw this on facebook. I love it.

[ Image ]

‎11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!
Unfortunately, this one isn't true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

I know, snopes is notorious for left leaning "fact checks" but there are absolutely no news sources (even local) backing this up.
Damn! And I was so excited. I'm like the girl on that insurance commercial that says anything you see on the web has to be true and then her ugly "model" she met on the web shows up. I must work on not being so naive.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:59 am
by 67SS
pops1982 wrote:.
I saw this on facebook. I love it.

[ Image ]

‎11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!

I know many people hate snopes but... while snopes debunks this story, they provide 4 examples of verifiable stories of similar events with proper citations....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:00 pm
by Syntyr
jimlongley wrote:
I can honestly say that it is my intent to never wound anyone in my house. :evil2:
I dont have any evil black rifles. Just my 12 guage. I just shoot "skeet" just like the Pres! :rolll

Heaven help the burglar that comes in to my house with a pocket full of clay pigeons!!!

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:06 pm
by 67SS
I have two semiauto sporting rifles that have detachable box magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.... but they are not black.. they are adjustable to the shooter for comfort... one rifle is a bolt action box fed magazine that holds 11... and looks like a m14 somewhat...

but I do not consider them home defense.... a Mossberg persuader is the home defense of choice, after that a G22c

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:35 pm
by jimlongley
67SS wrote:
jimlongley wrote:
philip964 wrote:When you shoot a robber inside your house, you create a situation where either: the robber dies, so the state has the expense of burying the "victim", lots of paperwork for them, including investigations, grand juries; but mainly a human being is denied the opportunity to be rehabilitated and support the state. Or you wound the "victim" and the state through the new universal health insurance program will have to spend millions on lifesaving medical treatment and then physical therapy so that he can again regain his use of limbs etc, so that he can be rehabilitated and then support the state.

In either case by the use of a fire arm you have cost the state a tremendous amount of money. Obviously this is something they wish to limit, and so will attempt to make illegal, by banning firearms and making it illegal to injure a robber. This is the case now in England, welcome to your future under universal health care. ;-)
I can honestly say that it is my intent to never wound anyone in my house. :evil2:

EASY what you say.... all forms of electronic communication is admissible..... : :grumble

you know.. thought police.... :waiting:
I can't imagine what you think I am saying. It is my honest intent to never wound anyone in my house. Of course if they don't belong in my house, then I might have to change my intentions, but it remains my honest intent nonetheless.

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:44 pm
by 67SS
its not what I think... in a event you have to defend yourself.... it can show premeditated... thats all..... since texas has castle doctrine .. and can hold a shooter harmless...

some sleazy bottom feeder attorney scouring around and finds statements .... All I am asking is dont put yourself in harms way with print that can be misconstrued against thyself for future events that may or may not happen

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:53 pm
by psijac
canvasbck wrote:
pops1982 wrote:.
I saw this on facebook. I love it.

[ Image ]

‎11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!
Unfortunately, this one isn't true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

I know, snopes is notorious for left leaning "fact checks" but there are absolutely no news sources (even local) backing this up.

I knew it was too good to be true when they said mossberg 500 instead of Remington 870

Re: Robbery Victims Shooting Attackers Called ‘Alarming Tren

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:57 pm
by RPB
also
Now Using A Gun For Protection Is ‘An Alarming Trend’

February 14, 2013
by Bob Livingston

http://personalliberty.com/2013/02/14/n ... ing-trend/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;