Business owner shoots alleged burglar

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:51 pm

Here's my favorite tale of a warehouse search:

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006 ... claus.html

Stupid · Post by **Stupid** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:32 pm

I am stupid, so i don't understand why he went to investigate.

RPBrown · Post by **RPBrown** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:38 am

XDgal wrote:WFAA ch. 8's 5pm. news had a sound bite of a DPD spokesperson saying that the business owner would be cited for not having the permit for a verified response alarm. The talking head then said the shooting will be refered to the grand jury, but he would probably would not be charged.

Permit to pad the politicians pockets. Why? The police will not respond unless its verified, so why pay for a permit?

Hello, I just verified my alarm. There was someone there but he is no longer moving. You can send someone now. The threat is over.

hi-power · Post by **hi-power** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:52 am

Stupid wrote:I am stupid, so i don't understand why he went to investigate.

Someone had to investigate it. As txinvestigator pointed out, Dallas PD will not investigate an alarm without someone verifying that it is real and not a false alarm.

I'm sure the business owner was not really expecting a shootout, but he was prepared. He went to verify, yelled at the criminals, and got shot at in response. Running away probably wasn't an option at that point.

casselthief · Post by **casselthief** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:35 am

no, He's saying that it's dangerous to investigate.
his mindset is to avoid danger at all costs. in general, at least.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:45 am

casselthief wrote:no, He's saying that it's dangerous to investigate.
his mindset is to avoid danger at all costs. in general, at least.

Better never leave your house, use electricity, fire, water....................................................................................................................................

casselthief · Post by **casselthief** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:47 am

you remember the thread about the guy coming into the house, and He said that you should never leave your room and all that.

it's that same mindset, I believe.

hi-power · Post by **hi-power** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:19 am

casselthief wrote:no, He's saying that it's dangerous to investigate.
his mindset is to avoid danger at all costs. in general, at least.

Then I guess it's safe to assume that forum member "stupid" is not a business owner with most of his hard-earned money tied up in inventory.

I am not either, but I know that I would jealously defend my property, especially if one ripoff could bankrupt me.

casselthief · Post by **casselthief** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:45 am

Ah heard that.

Stupid · Post by **Stupid** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:18 pm

You assume it's cheaper to just shoot somebody than get cameras to record the criminal activities and let insurance company to pay for the lose.

This is 2007, not 1807. You can sit in your bedroom and watch everything that is going on in your office. Why do you still have the need to go investigate, especially with a gun? I would make an arguement if I were the prosecutor to show your intention is to seek a chance to kill someone.

What happened to the statement that "we are not protecting our properties by shooting someone?" Our job is to survive. Unless the threat comes to us and we have no other ways of avoiding it, we must choose avoidance over confrontation.

this story could easily go the other way: store owner shot dead when he went to investigate an alarm at store. He left 3 children and a non-working wife.....

What would you guys say then?

Geister · Post by **Geister** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:46 pm

Stupid, do you have any idea how much that kind of surveillance equipment would cost, especially sending it from his place of business to his home?

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:20 pm

Stupid wrote:.

What happened to the statement that "we are not protecting our properties by shooting someone?"

That makes ZERO sense.

Our job is to survive. Unless the threat comes to us and we have no other ways of avoiding it, we must choose avoidance over confrontation.

Are you French? Who says we "must"? Not the law. There are many reasons an alarm could activate like an door that came ajar, faulty alarm equipment, etc. By your scared reasoning, he should just turn the alarm off, leave the doors open and put up a "please steal from me, just don't hurt me" sign.

You may want to cower in your home afraid of the big bad wolf, but I am checking on my property.

this story could easily go the other way: store owner shot dead when he went to investigate an alarm at store. He left 3 children and a non-working wife.....

What would you guys say then?

Your chances of being killed in traffic are greater than being shot by a burglar. Do YOU stay home? Life is fraught with danger. Most of us choose to take reasonable precautions, like taking a handgun with them, as the owner of this shop did.

Stupid · Post by **Stupid** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:03 pm

I just priced out one for my company. If you want to be be cheap, it's about <$500, which you can probably get 4 of them. If you want something highend with night vision, it's about $800/camera.

Either setup will give you a complete view no matter which part of world you are as long as you have access to Internet.

Not much of a cost, I would say. You may be able to neigotiate a cheaper insurance premium because of those cameras.

Geister wrote:Stupid, do you have any idea how much that kind of surveillance equipment would cost, especially sending it from his place of business to his home?

Stupid · Post by **Stupid** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:07 pm

No, a responsible precaution in this case is to have survilence cameras installed and watched them before going for an investigation.

That is not only responsible for himself, but also for his family.

txinvestigator wrote:
Stupid wrote:.
Your chances of being killed in traffic are greater than being shot by a burglar. Do YOU stay home? Life is fraught with danger. Most of us choose to take reasonable precautions, like taking a handgun with them, as the owner of this shop did.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:23 pm

Stupid wrote:I just priced out one for my company. If you want to be be cheap, it's about <$500, which you can probably get 4 of them. If you want something highend with night vision, it's about $800/camera.

Either setup will give you a complete view no matter which part of world you are as long as you have access to Internet.

Not much of a cost, I would say. You may be able to neigotiate a cheaper insurance premium because of those cameras.

Geister wrote:Stupid, do you have any idea how much that kind of surveillance equipment would cost, especially sending it from his place of business to his home?

Systems are getting pretty reasonable, We Just set one up and If I get an alarm I can monitor my 15 cameras and from here 50 miles away over the net. and talk to whoever is responding to an alarm via the cell. I don't know many bussiness owners who won't go in if the police won't respond but the video surveilance systems might could take some of the risk out. Only problem is that sometimes the camera and equipment is what the thief is really after.