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Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:37 am
by DocV
RX8er wrote:
DocV wrote: ....

Oh, you did say you were getting a chamfer deburring tool, correct?
Thanks DocV. I didn't say that because I have one already. I am assuming deburring is only if you trim the case as it is with the pistol brass.
RX8er wrote: So, here is my process I am working up in my head:

1. Tumble brass
2. Inspect and measure for max length
2a. Too long = pile for trimming
3. Put wax on fingers and on each neck apply very little as loaded
4. Place brass on carrier
a. deprime
b. prime
c. powder
d. bullet
e. crimp
5. Check length
6. Clean wax off?
7. Storage
You have the essential steps. I resize and de prime then trim. You can probably trim before depriming too as I doubt resizing would take a case at trim-to length up to trim length. I haven't tried it. After mulling it over, I think it would be ok.

I use a Rock Chucker and do all of your steps in #4 in separate batches. I find my pacesetter dies to be very consistent so I measure OAL on the first few completed rounds and then spot check rounds at random.

As to "Wax on. Wax off.":

I don't find that I have to smear wax on every single case. Maybe I do so subconsciously, but my impression is I can wax up one case lightly and then run three or four cases through deprime before I detect a need to put more wax on.

I usually tumble my brass twice. Once before depriming and then before priming. That said, there is not all that much wax on the brass to start with and I put car wax in my tumble media too. That makes me wonder if cleaning off the wax is all that necessary. Other case lube, however, might be a different story.

Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:10 pm
by RX8er
Interesting about the depriming. The more I read, the more people I see that deprime and resize and then measure. Since I have a progressive and no other presses, I guess I could run brass through the deprime and then through the resizing.

Thanks guys for all the help and guidence. What did we ever do before the internet. :biggrinjester:

Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:48 pm
by loneranger4x4
in most cases, resize and deprime are the same step.

Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:51 pm
by RX8er
loneranger4x4 wrote:in most cases, resize and deprime are the same step.
:banghead: Your'e right.... :banghead:

I was thinking crimping when I wrote that...

Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:29 pm
by Jumping Frog
RX8er wrote:Interesting about the depriming. The more I read, the more people I see that deprime and resize and then measure. Since I have a progressive and no other presses, I guess I could run brass through the deprime and then through the resizing.

Thanks guys for all the help and guidence. What did we ever do before the internet. :biggrinjester:
loneranger4x4 wrote:in most cases, resize and deprime are the same step.
I ran 300 case of .44 mag through stations 1 & 2 today. Station one deprimes, station two resizes. When they got to station 3, I pulled them out.

Then I trimmed and chamfered all of them. Now I have 300 cases prepped and ready to reload.

loneranger4x4, I use a universal de-priming die in Station one and then the resizing die (with depriming pin removed) in Station two because Station two is where the case is primed on my press. By resizing in Station two, it holds the case firmly and repeatedly in the identical position for every case, thus making the priming a more repeatable process. I could be fooling myself, but it works for me.

I know most people don't trim straightwall pistol cases, but I like to trim revolver cases to the same length so that the bullet is always consistently seated in the crimping groove. I don't bother trimming semiauto straightwall pistol cartridges.

Re: Rifle Dies

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:36 am
by loneranger4x4
Jumping Frog wrote:
RX8er wrote:Interesting about the depriming. The more I read, the more people I see that deprime and resize and then measure. Since I have a progressive and no other presses, I guess I could run brass through the deprime and then through the resizing.

Thanks guys for all the help and guidence. What did we ever do before the internet. :biggrinjester:
loneranger4x4 wrote:in most cases, resize and deprime are the same step.
I ran 300 case of .44 mag through stations 1 & 2 today. Station one deprimes, station two resizes. When they got to station 3, I pulled them out.

Then I trimmed and chamfered all of them. Now I have 300 cases prepped and ready to reload.

loneranger4x4, I use a universal de-priming die in Station one and then the resizing die (with depriming pin removed) in Station two because Station two is where the case is primed on my press. By resizing in Station two, it holds the case firmly and repeatedly in the identical position for every case, thus making the priming a more repeatable process. I could be fooling myself, but it works for me.

I know most people don't trim straightwall pistol cases, but I like to trim revolver cases to the same length so that the bullet is always consistently seated in the crimping groove. I don't bother trimming semiauto straightwall pistol cartridges.
That's Why I said Most, there have been cases where I removed the depriming pin from the die and only used the resizing, but Personally I havent found a need in my process to make it a seperate step. I only mentioned that because I the OP sounded new to reloading rifle cartridges and I did't want them to think that it had to be a seperate step. I still don't understand the reasoning behind what you are doing, probably because I use a single stage press, but it's like you said, "it works for me" and that is the key. find the process that works best for you and stick with it. :cheers2: