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Jumping Frog wrote:Two words: voice recorder.

Or if you prefer one word: video.

I will not have any interaction with the government or an agent of the government that is not documented.

Failing that, seems like this was a public meeting with other members of the public present as witnesses. Shouldn't be too hard for the police to find out the real story.

My experience in NJ suggests that most of the police don't want to find out the real story. I'm a little surprised at this happening in Camden County. The City of Camden is a cesspool but the areas around it are usually not too bad. Most of NJ below Trenton isn't as rife with corruption and police state mentality as from Trenton North.

Antisemitism could have been a factor. While NJ has large segments of Jewish communities, tolerance in other areas can be quite limited. Reading the article about the cornerstone of the problem being the Undocumented assumptions as to the interior of the house. I'd be willing to be a tidy sum that those assumptions border on the outlandish and were punitive.

Lest you doubt the level of corruption in these blue State and how local governments abuse their citizens because of, we lived in a small Philadelphia suburb where the head plumbing inspector for the city was a brother to the head of the local plumbing union. Everyone knew that there was no way that a non-union plumbing job was ever going to pass inspection in that town. The town paid a bounty to the trash company workers to find plumbing parts in the trash and report the addresses. The plumbing inspector claimed the right to inspect those house because of suspected fraud. Fortunately for us, we never got caught. Appraisals were also done via the buddy network. Inequity abounded on very similar houses on the same street. Even if you were affected, you kept your mouth shut. Things could always get worse if you ran afoul of the wrong people.

Generally speaking, the politicians and the local police chiefs in NJ do not believe that private citizens should own any guns. An opportunity to enforce that is rarely passed up.

Re: TAM's comment "This is New Jersey. This is what New England has become."

New England does not include New Jersey, friend.

New England is clearly defined as including only 6 states: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts,
Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

NJ may be NE (Northeast) but it is not NE (New England). :-)

SIA

Just one more reason to record all conversations with government entities.

Assuming the lady's story is correct, Such would have precluded an arrest and put the little pencil pusher in jail for filing a false report.

Grillmark55 wrote:Somebody filed a report with the police - or called them - and said that she made threats to use a gun. How is it that the person who made the claim (I can only assume that they were false, based on everything that I've heard and read) is not charged with filing a false report? I thought that in most places if you make a false statement to the police about somebody, that itself is an offense and you go to jail - or at least are fined for it. What am I missing here?
As an aside, isn't this also a GREAT example of how our FIRST Amendment rights are being taken away. Say something that somebody doesn't like and get the cuffs slapped on you, guns confiscated, legal costs, etc., etc.

So they are violating her rights under the 7th too?

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

I found the contact info for that tax office. I sent them an email. I used no foul language, not one word...but I did make sure the phrase "pencil pusher" was in there once or twice.

TAM pretty much nailed it...

Our opposition, both politically and socially are fomenting this environment, they are in control of it because they reasonate a message that conservatives cannot at this time...They control the culture...Therefore the exposure or lack thereof the reality of the situation at hand...(i.e.: the media)

Bottom line, we know what the truth is, we know who is on our side of the equation...The end result is already ordained...Lets hope the fight stays in the courts and the legislatures...Because if it gets into the streets, no one wins...

This is yet again another shining example of how deep we are all in this...We may not be the ones fomenting this in the ignorant publics eye, but we ARE certainly a catalyst in the formula...time to try and find a way to not be the reactant, we need to find a way to safe this unstable environment...

Just my opinion...

K.Mooneyham wrote:I found the contact info for that tax office. I sent them an email. I used no foul language, not one word...but I did make sure the phrase "pencil pusher" was in there once or twice.

OMG your going to jail!

Jumping Frog wrote:Two words: voice recorder.

Or if you prefer one word: video.

I will not have any interaction with the government or an agent of the government that is not documented.

Failing that, seems like this was a public meeting with other members of the public present as witnesses. Shouldn't be too hard for the police to find out the real story.

It'll be almost impossible. If there were a large number of witnesses, they will interact and corrupt each others story so thoroughly that nobody will accurately remember exactly what happened or was said. All will more or less contradict the others, and it will be a judgment call as to which version is closest. If there are more than 4 or 5 witnesses, and they know each other, it will be anybody's guess what really happened, and that's assuming they don't have some informal conspiracy to cook up a story. That's how you tell the story is perfected afterwards, when it matches up in nearly every detail.

Eye witness testimony is the least reliable and least satisfactory evidence there is, except police reports of eye witness statements, which are hearsay.

On the main point of reading the Constitution, I can see where that would be terrifying to a great many office holders, many of whom would be hearing it for the first time.