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TexasGal wrote:Two words: Ankle Monitor

Why support this guy in prison for 41 months? He did a stupid thing. It was against the law. He deserves to be punished, but I'd rather his bunk at the prison had a rapist or murderer in it.

They are probably being so harsh it because of the issue that identity theft has become. But I do agree that 41 months seems awfully excessive.

TexasGal wrote:Two words: Ankle Monitor

Why support this guy in prison for 41 months? He did a stupid thing. It was against the law. He deserves to be punished, but I'd rather his bunk at the prison had a rapist or murderer in it.

Money,Profit ?

Where is he headed? More than half the prisons are privately owned. There is a financial incentive for lock up vs. monitor.

handog wrote:

TexasGal wrote:Two words: Ankle Monitor

Why support this guy in prison for 41 months? He did a stupid thing. It was against the law. He deserves to be punished, but I'd rather his bunk at the prison had a rapist or murderer in it.

Money,Profit ?

Where is he headed? More than half the prisons are privately owned. There is a financial incentive for lock up vs. monitor.

Besides, he'll be a lot easier to deal with than some violent criminal.

poppo wrote:If someone breaks into your house and rifles thorough your personal belongings just to show they can do it, are you saying you would be happy about it and would not press charges just because they didn't actually take anything? Yeah right.

But if you put all your personal belongings on the front lawn, don't be surprised when people go through them. That's essentially what he did.

baldeagle wrote:

poppo wrote:If someone breaks into your house and rifles thorough your personal belongings just to show they can do it, are you saying you would be happy about it and would not press charges just because they didn't actually take anything? Yeah right.

But if you put all your personal belongings on the front lawn, don't be surprised when people go through them. That's essentially what he did.

I disagree with your analogy. The "personal belongings" weren't on a "front lawn", they were inside a house (that didnt belong to him) whose door was unlocked. There is a huge difference between the two.

bdickens wrote:

handog wrote:

TexasGal wrote:Two words: Ankle Monitor

Why support this guy in prison for 41 months? He did a stupid thing. It was against the law. He deserves to be punished, but I'd rather his bunk at the prison had a rapist or murderer in it.

Money,Profit ?

Where is he headed? More than half the prisons are privately owned. There is a financial incentive for lock up vs. monitor.

Besides, he'll be a lot easier to deal with than some violent criminal.

If he spends 41 months in a prison, though he isn't a violent guy right now, don't expect that to be true when he comes out. I'm all for locking up violent thugs, but not this guy. He should be heavily fined and put on probation; he isn't a physical danger to anyone, and did he even profit from what he did?. I'm with Texasgal about that cell being needed for someone a lot more dangerous.

AndyC wrote:

RottenApple wrote:I disagree with your analogy. The "personal belongings" weren't on a "front lawn", they were inside a house (that didnt belong to him) whose door was unlocked. There is a huge difference between the two.

Let's tighten up the analogy. They were inside a house into which the public was invited and given explicit access to their own shelf in a closet.

He then, out of curiosity, found that other shelves were openly-accessible just by looking - that's poor design right there and the designers should take their lumps.

His mistake wasn't even in finding the flaw - it was in alerting others to that flaw.

But if he hadn't taken stuff off those other shelves, he wouldn't have been in trouble for it. As I said before, if he had alerted AT&T or Apple to the flaw, there most likely wouldn't have been an issue. I know for a fact that Apple takes user suggestions very, very seriously and that if this had been brought to their attention, they'd have investigated & notified AT&T of their server insecurity. I honestly don't think that finding the flaw was the crime. It was stealing other people's information, regardless of whether he used it or not.

RottenApple wrote: I know for a fact that Apple takes user suggestions very, very seriously and....

My understanding is that every report made to Apple gets added to log and investigated. The tune of hundreds a month across multiple prodcut lines. I went to high school and am FB friends with Rich xxxxxx. He heads up a team of 50+ folks on a security team for Apple after leaving M$ five years ago. This is specifically what he does all day and every day. Also, they spend all day trolling forums and hacking sites looking for issues with their product.

He says that M$ and your other major software companies do the same thing.

RX8er wrote:

RottenApple wrote: I know for a fact that Apple takes user suggestions very, very seriously and....

My understanding is that every report made to Apple gets added to log and investigated. The tune of hundreds a month across multiple prodcut lines. I went to high school and am FB friends with Rich xxxxxx. He heads up a team of 50+ folks on a security team for Apple after leaving M$ five years ago. This is specifically what he does all day and every day. Also, they spend all day trolling forums and hacking sites looking for issues with their product.

He says that M$ and your other major software companies do the same thing.

Yup! I know the guy you're talking about. Well, I should say I know of him. He was involved in a round table for us Senior Advisors on what Apple does to locate & combat security related issues and how we (the Senior Advisors) were to handle customer calls reporting such problems. Basically we created a case and immediately escalated it to engineering, the product manager (the guy/gal responsible for everything having to do with the product, and corporate security (who, unless it involved Apple servers, like iCloud, pretty much left it alone). As SAs, we could keep track of the case and would get updates. Was really cool to see those guys solve some weird problems.

RottenApple wrote:

AndyC wrote:

RottenApple wrote:I disagree with your analogy. The "personal belongings" weren't on a "front lawn", they were inside a house (that didnt belong to him) whose door was unlocked. There is a huge difference between the two.

Let's tighten up the analogy. They were inside a house into which the public was invited and given explicit access to their own shelf in a closet.

He then, out of curiosity, found that other shelves were openly-accessible just by looking - that's poor design right there and the designers should take their lumps.

His mistake wasn't even in finding the flaw - it was in alerting others to that flaw.

But if he hadn't taken stuff off those other shelves, he wouldn't have been in trouble for it.

All analogies eventually break down, but in this case, he didn't remove the items, he took a picture of them. The items were still there for the legitimate user.

Am I allowed to type a URL in myself, or do I have to follow a legitimate, publicized hyperlink? If I can type a URL in myself, what if I type the wrong number? What if a bookmarked link has been changed and they didn't redirect it right, so now I go somewhere I wasn't "invited" when I click on it?

Changing URLs to see other pages being served to the public shouldn't be a crime. A middle schooler should know how to write checks to prevent URL manipulation or inadvertent, non-malicious session hijacking.

Even if this man was looking to embarrass them or make a name for himself, 41 months is extremely excessive, especially assuming he is a first time offender.