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Re: What Is A Universal Background Check?
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:09 pm
by rotor
Have you ever bought a gun from a dealer? If yes, you underwent a background check. I am assuming that the requirement will be that the seller and buyer will have to go to a ffl who will do the same background check, charge a fee, and give a yes or no- exactly as if you went to Wal-Mart or Academy. You will technically be a criminal if you sell a gun in any other way. I am assuming that this is what is meant. Correct me if I am wrong. Probably this type of legislation will pass Congress. Not saying I agree or not but be prepared. What we also need to be aware of is the bans. No "large" capacity magazines. No "assault" rifles. Ammo limitations. So, doesn't matter that you "pass" the background check- the left is still trying to make it impossible to own and use a firearm. I hate to use this analogy but the right has used the same tactics in limiting abortion, a step by step progression of laws to limit it. The left is doing the same thing with gun control. No flames please.
Re: What Is A Universal Background Check?
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:25 pm
by JALLEN
This is what we have in California already.
Every transfer, with trivial exceptions, MUST go through an FFL, with a 10 day waiting period. The weapon cannot be delivered until 10 days, to the minute after the transaction is entered by the FFL in the computer system, time and date stamped.
If you have a weapon in your possession that is not "in your name," then they show it was never properly transferred. You can claim it was transferred before the registration requirement became effective, but that is less and less likely with every passing day, and if the person who transferred it is not in a position to verify your story, dead, moved, under some sort of duress susceptible to not wishing to call attention to himself, etc. your story may ring hollow, especially after they turn up a picture of your seller having the gun after you claim it was "transferred" before the requirement. There are endless variations of that. Is it worth the risk? For some, maybe. The risk is no guns forever anymore here, because if you have a gun related violations, you will no longer be cleared to have one. If one of your guns is stolen, or lost, you have to go through the state DOJ for a gun clearance letter to get it from police.
It is much better never to have to put up with this.
Re: What Is A Universal Background Check?
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:32 pm
by Jeff B.
Interesting thoughts. I'm afraid you're correct that the UBC will pass Congress. You can then look forward to a host of challenges to both the law and Federal Authority. But, again you're correct that a private sale would be against the likely Federal Law, even if Texas does something to refuse its validity.
The only thing that will be accomplished will be the further alienation of a large group of citizens who are in the main, very productive contributors. In other words additional polarization and increased vitriol in an already nastyily divided society.
Jeff B.
Re: What Is A Universal Background Check?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:52 am
by stevie_d_64
Interesting thought...Those of us with CHL's might still be able to get away with FTF transfers, without the UBC...Just whip out that ole card, do the secret handshake, cash on the barrel head and we're off to see the wonderful Wizard of Oz...
I kinda like that way of doing things, because it is a "green" system...It is paperless, and your carbon footprint is significantly reduced...
You'd think the EPA would be all over this exception...Since it reduces paper waste, the only thing we have to work on would be the "lead" issue, since that is kinda the only thing they might still have a problem with...
My order for miniture, rocket-assisted, depleted uranium bullets, are still on back order...

Re: What Is A Universal Background Check?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:27 am
by TexasCajun
stevie_d_64 wrote:Interesting thought...Those of us with CHL's might still be able to get away with FTF transfers, without the UBC...Just whip out that ole card, do the secret handshake, cash on the barrel head and we're off to see the wonderful Wizard of Oz...
I kinda like that way of doing things, because it is a "green" system...It is paperless, and your carbon footprint is significantly reduced...
You'd think the EPA would be all over this exception...Since it reduces paper waste, the only thing we have to work on would be the "lead" issue, since that is kinda the only thing they might still have a problem with...
My order for miniture, rocket-assisted, depleted uranium bullets, are still on back order...

If the UBC were the end-goal, that would be fine. But it won't be. The next step will be universal registration. Because in order to know whether the gun was transferred privately after the UBC mandate, they'll need to know where all the guns currently are. And despite what they say, once they know where the guns are they'll be knocking on doors for confiscation. It's not really a secret play book. They've done exactly this in other countries.