Syrian Rebels Behead Catholic Priest

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Re: Syrian Rebels Behead Catholic Priest

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bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
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Tecumseh wrote:
bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
I don't understand how people can draw the least bit of moral equivalency between fundamentalist Islam and Christianity.
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Tecumseh wrote:
bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
One of quite a number of differences, Tecumseh, is that the practitioners of the "religion" of Islam (aka: The Religion of Peace™) who kill, maim, murder, behead, rape, stone, abuse, and suppress are practicing and fulfilling the tenets of their faith, assured a place in heaven right next to the virgins and Allah himself, whereas Christians who do the same are in direct violation of their faith and are promised a place somewhat less comfortable.
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Not excusing the behavior at all (which appears to be common to both sides), but, I do wonder if they were aware of the fact that he was a Priest.
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Pacifist wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
One of quite a number of differences, Tecumseh, is that the practitioners of the "religion" of Islam (aka: The Religion of Peace™) who kill, maim, murder, behead, rape, stone, abuse, and suppress are practicing and fulfilling the tenets of their faith, assured a place in heaven right next to the virgins and Allah himself, whereas Christians who do the same are in direct violation of their faith and are promised a place somewhat less comfortable.
Where do you get this idea? The fact is that Christians do the same thing. Ask the native peoples of this continent about it. Joseph Kony is just as bad and he is a Christian.
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Tecumseh wrote:Where do you get this idea? The fact is that Christians do the same thing. Ask the native peoples of this continent about it. Joseph Kony is just as bad and he is a Christian.
I "get this idea" from the instruction manual for each respective group.
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gthaustex wrote:Tolerance at its finest from the religion of peace.
I think you know better. Judging an entire race, religion, or country on the actions of a few extremist isn't the right thing to do. There are plenty of Christian monsters out there, some of them fairly high up in the church. Should we judge that religion on the actions of those few people? Or perhaps we could look back at the crusades before doing a historical comparison?

Want to know a religion, you should study it yourself. Don't believe what people tell you because their views come with an agenda or (at best) a personal perspective. And there are awful lines in almost all religious texts that can be used out of context if you want to ignore the overall message.

We are all human beings... There is no justification for something like this.
gthaustex wrote: What amazes me is the hypocrisy from those who would ask us not to judge the entire religion based on the actions of a few misguided individuals, but then turn right around and say we must infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of millions based on the actions of a few misguided individuals.
No hypocrisy here. 2nd amendment rights and immoral decisions to kill another person hardly warrant a comparison. And again, you're stating that everyone who might have cause to ask you not to judge the actions of a few wants 2nd amendment rights decreased. It's simply not true. I'll call you out for criticizing a religion based on the actions of a few and I'll support your 2nd amendment rights all day long.
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Tecumseh wrote:
Pacifist wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
One of quite a number of differences, Tecumseh, is that the practitioners of the "religion" of Islam (aka: The Religion of Peace™) who kill, maim, murder, behead, rape, stone, abuse, and suppress are practicing and fulfilling the tenets of their faith, assured a place in heaven right next to the virgins and Allah himself, whereas Christians who do the same are in direct violation of their faith and are promised a place somewhat less comfortable.
Where do you get this idea? The fact is that Christians do the same thing. Ask the native peoples of this continent about it. Joseph Kony is just as bad and he is a Christian.
Joseph Kony is no more a Christian than those "Westboro Baptist Church" people are Christian, and they ain't. Both use Christianity for their own nefarious ends...as do the Islamist terrorists...the difference is that the mainstream media and the liberal-progressive left give the Islamists more support.
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K.Mooneyham wrote:the difference is that the mainstream media and the liberal-progressive left give the Islamists more support.
I'd say that the media does a pretty good job in terms of scaring the general public in regard to Islamist organizations... I'm thankful that most of the media includes the word "radical" in front of the word Islamist... But we're still ending up with people on this forum who believe that Islam is a hateful violent religion.
Redneck_Buddha wrote: I don't understand how people can draw the least bit of moral equivalency between fundamentalist Islam and Christianity.


I agree with you there. There is no comparison.
If you want to compare, you should compare mainstream Christian to mainstream Islamist religious organizations.

Alternately, compare radical Christians to radical Islamist... Both are willing to kill for their ideals.

Seriously, if you don't think Islam is a religion of peace, you've got big blinders on. Throughout history, people have used religion as a basis to kill, conquer, discriminate, and hate. It's hardly unique to Islam. People that are using it that way are really missing the big picture.
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Tecumseh wrote:
Pacifist wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
bdickens wrote:Ah yes....

The religion of peace at work.
Reminds me of Joseph Kony and his Christian terrorists. Religion seems to be holding the world back and does not allow us to move forward.
One of quite a number of differences, Tecumseh, is that the practitioners of the "religion" of Islam (aka: The Religion of Peace™) who kill, maim, murder, behead, rape, stone, abuse, and suppress are practicing and fulfilling the tenets of their faith, assured a place in heaven right next to the virgins and Allah himself, whereas Christians who do the same are in direct violation of their faith and are promised a place somewhat less comfortable.
Where do you get this idea? The fact is that Christians do the same thing. Ask the native peoples of this continent about it. Joseph Kony is just as bad and he is a Christian.
Joseph Kony is no more a Christian then is Richard Dawkins.
Kony believes he the voice of God. He states he is a spirit medium, and is regularly possessed by 13 spirits representing all the people of the world. His movement is a hodge podge of mysticism, Acholi nationalism, Islam, and Christianity. This murderous thug in no way represents the beliefs of anyone who purports to be Christian.

Have people done evil in the name of God? Absolutely. Let's look at the Atheist and Anti-religious to see how they compare, I don't have to go back 500 years for my examples:
Joseph Stalin, minimum 7 million thought to be perhaps twice this number.
Mao Ze-Dong, from the days of the Long March to the Cultural Revolution, 50 to 80 million.
Pol Pot, 2 million.
Adolph Hitler, 7 to 12 million.
Kim Il Sung, 2 million.
Ismail Enver, 2.5 million.
Mengistu Haile Mariam, 2 million.
U.S. Abortionists, 48.6 million unborn. CDC stats average 1.2 million per year since 1973.
So if we use the highest population estimates for the pre Columbian Americas(north and south)of 50 million and we allow that the majority of the deaths that occurred were due to disease(virgin field epidemics)through simple contact not because of nefarious acts perpetrated in the name of God, just like European pandemics brought about by contact with the Far East, how would the remaining indigenous peoples faired with the Atheists? Would any be alive today?
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We know that atheists are inherently a bunch of heathens, right? Of course they're going to do horrible things. Just like the religious, it doesn't mean that atheists as a group are evil and violent.
The fact still remains that horrible acts aren't isolated to Islam... Nor any other major religion or lack of religion.

It's the branding of religion as violent that bothers me based on the acts of a few... Because you can do that with almost any religion.
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As a Muslim, here on the forum, I find the reported incident as something that should never happen at time of war or peace. Some of the extremists would kill for no reason, let alone after a summary trial and judgment. I believe as it was reported some of extremists would execute their POWs where this also should never happen too. It is sad that such a deplorable incidents are reported.
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Thank you. Human beings are capable of great good and great evil. Religious affiliation has nothing to do with it...
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cb1000rider wrote:Thank you. Human beings are capable of great good and great evil. Religious affiliation has nothing to do with it...
Yes, just look at the atrocities that were done in the name of the church by man because "God Willed it."
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cb1000rider wrote:We know that atheists are inherently a bunch of heathens, right? Of course they're going to do horrible things. Just like the religious, it doesn't mean that atheists as a group are evil and violent.
The fact still remains that horrible acts aren't isolated to Islam... Nor any other major religion or lack of religion.

It's the branding of religion as violent that bothers me based on the acts of a few... Because you can do that with almost any religion.
My post was a direct response to the statement that Christians are now and have been involved in genocide due to their Christianity. My listing of the people who directed the murders of millions in this and the last century was as an exposition that evil people do evil things, not that they do them because they lack faith in God.
I do surely tire of the "Christians slaughtered the Native Americans" meme. It's demonstrably false, so why does it persist?
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