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Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:07 pm
by switch
Actually, B is still true. :)
and the last one about modified CHL.
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:35 pm
by dogflight
Hmm. Well, this ain't gonna work.
:-) You're right, technically (B) is still correct. Problem is that a new student would not know what the heck the question is even talking about unless you explain what SA and NSA
used to mean but no longer do.
And the last one you mentioned. I see. Thanks.
Oh well, in the scope of important stuff in the world, a couple of temporarily annoying questions don't amount to the proverbial hill-o-beans. With any luck we'll see a new and accurate test in the next week, and all this will be moot. Moot is good.
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:58 am
by jmra
dogflight wrote:jmra wrote:
I didn't even see a copy of the test my last class. The instructor read the questions to the group and we all "participated" by answering orally.
HOLY COW!
Wait, you're pulling our legs. Aren't you? Please say yes.
Nope. Shocked me too. But according to the instructor the rules do not spell out how the test is to be administered, only that it had to be administered. Based on our "participation" in answering the questions we all passed.
There were only 5 of us in the group and I'm confident that we all were up to speed, but I still question the method used.
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:24 am
by dogflight
[Making sure my soapbox is nice and sturdy...]
If we're actually talking about a Texas CHL class here, you might refer the instructor to page 17 of the CHL-16:
Sec. 411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT.
(d) Only a qualified handgun instructor may administer the proficiency examination to obtain or to renew a license. The proficiency examination must include:
(1) a written section on the subjects listed in Subsection (b); and
(2) a physical demonstration of proficiency...
Add in DPS policy that 70% is a passing score on the written exam, it's hard to understand the instructors belief that there are no rules about how the test is to be administered.
Frighteningly for you and the others, it might even be argued that the license of anyone "tested" that way is not valid because they didn't actually demonstrate their proficiency.
[Clambering down from soapbox now.]
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:37 pm
by jmra
dogflight wrote:[Making sure my soapbox is nice and sturdy...]
If we're actually talking about a Texas CHL class here, you might refer the instructor to page 17 of the CHL-16:
Sec. 411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT.
(d) Only a qualified handgun instructor may administer the proficiency examination to obtain or to renew a license. The proficiency examination must include:
(1) a written section on the subjects listed in Subsection (b); and
(2) a physical demonstration of proficiency...
Add in DPS policy that 70% is a passing score on the written exam, it's hard to understand the instructors belief that there are no rules about how the test is to be administered.
Frighteningly for you and the others, it might even be argued that the license of anyone "tested" that way is not valid because they didn't actually demonstrate their proficiency.
[Clambering down from soapbox now.]
The questions were "written" on the tv (power point). We each answered each question correctly. That was his argument anyway.
I'm not at all worried about my CHL getting yanked. I've seen a lot worse violations reported without the student being affected. I'm just thankful I'm done with the classes and don't have to worry about some idiot of an instructor screwing stuff up.
Glad all you guys do a bang up job. The industry needs more like you.
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:10 am
by kg5ie
dogflight wrote:I was so shocked by the reply to my last post that I forgot why I'd signed on! Ahem:
6 Point Star wrote:I have a test with the four questions that no longer apply blacked out...
I just went through the questions and only see three that I would say have been rendered moot by the 2013 changes. Without giving away any specifics about the test, they are:
(A) An even-numbered multiple choice question relating to renewals. Will not apply after 9/1.
(B) An even-numbered T/F question relating to SA/NSA types. Already defunct.
(C) An even-numbered T/F question relating to missing the renewal grace period. Will not apply after 9/1 (unless DPS somehow creates a grace period. The new statute seems clear that renewals shall happen before expiration).
Can you tell me if you agree with my assessment, and which one I am missing?
Thanks!
After reading your post I pulled the student test to review it. I hope on your "C" you meant to say an "odd" numbered T/F question....(45). If so, I agree....two questions fall out, since your B is still true. Unless I am missing one also.
Re: Update Notification on Test & CHL100
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:19 am
by dogflight
Yep, my bad. Should have said odd. Sorry about that.