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OK, we need to get back on topic of legality and away from religious discussion.

So you read the article...lol...

RogueUSMC wrote:So you read the article...lol...

No, I didn't. It is against forum rules to discuss religion. We allow small drifts, but when the topic turns totally to it, then it is time to get back on topic.

ATDM wrote:

Running Arrow Bill wrote:I agree with Keith. Sunday "school" is a religious forum for indoctrination of kids in their Church's doctrine. It is not an accredited "school" by educational standards. It could also be considered a "meeting place" for religious discussion, reading of Bible passages, verses, etc. It could also be considered a "social event" for kids to get together and/or for parents to have a break from their kids... JMO...

A little off topic: I don't know what type of church you were exposed to (maybe, a cult?), but any Christian church would never "indoctrinate" kids. A children's Sunday School (at least, in churches I have attended since I became a Christian) simply teach children Bible lessons, truths about Christ and how to become a Christian, and then grow spiritually. I have never witnessed any indoctrination. I only know about it taking place in various cults.

I know that this is beside the my question as the author of this thread, but I wanted to make it clear for the benefit of other readers of my question.

Thank you.

Sorry to have offended anyone. My apologies. My use of word "indoctrination" was meant to be another term for instructing or teaching or exposing anyone to a series of ideas associated with that group. I was just using "logic" in my comment, not at all meant to run down churches or any religion. No...I has never and am not and will never be associated with any "cult". Nuf said...

The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter.

Does this affect any of the previous statements regarding a children's Sunday School, or is it still just a religious event?

Thanks

I use the same standards as I would to decide if a Catholic school is a school or church for CHL purposes.

ATDM wrote: Do you think, CB1000rider, that the status of your particular Sunday School changes on Sundays, when the regular teaching school is not in session, and it would be OK to carry on Sundays?

I don't know, but as I know of nothing in the law that is indicative of school scheduling, my conservative answer would be that once it is a school, it's always a school.
Asking the question another way - when I was on an HOA board, we rented space in the local public school gym. Class was out of session. Can I carry? I suspect the answer is no.

And again, this is just my view, but it's something to be aware of at many churches that might land you in trouble.

cb1000rider wrote:

ATDM wrote: Do you think, CB1000rider, that the status of your particular Sunday School changes on Sundays, when the regular teaching school is not in session, and it would be OK to carry on Sundays?

I don't know, but as I know of nothing in the law that is indicative of school scheduling, my conservative answer would be that once it is a school, it's always a school.
Asking the question another way - when I was on an HOA board, we rented space in the local public school gym. Class was out of session. Can I carry? I suspect the answer is no.

And again, this is just my view, but it's something to be aware of at many churches that might land you in trouble.

A school building owned by the school district will be off-limits always. However, in the case of the church, it the room is only used as a school room and dedicated to that, then I too would consider it a school. But if it is used for church functions as well, then I would say it is a church room and only off limits when the school is in session.

cb1000rider wrote:

ATDM wrote: Do you think, CB1000rider, that the status of your particular Sunday School changes on Sundays, when the regular teaching school is not in session, and it would be OK to carry on Sundays?

I don't know, but as I know of nothing in the law that is indicative of school scheduling, my conservative answer would be that once it is a school, it's always a school.
Asking the question another way - when I was on an HOA board, we rented space in the local public school gym. Class was out of session. Can I carry? I suspect the answer is no.

And again, this is just my view, but it's something to be aware of at many churches that might land you in trouble.

I was just joking about whether the Sunday school could collect taxes like an ISD. As others have pointed out, "school" that is prohibited is K-12 and buildings on college campuses.

But I know some churches rent public school spaces for services and I don't think the "church with no 30.06" would invalidate the "school building" law at all.

So yet another good reason to get your own building for a church.

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MeMelYup wrote:

Running Arrow Bill wrote:

ATDM wrote:

Running Arrow Bill wrote:I agree with Keith. Sunday "school" is a religious forum for indoctrination of kids in their Church's doctrine. It is not an accredited "school" by educational standards. It could also be considered a "meeting place" for religious discussion, reading of Bible passages, verses, etc. It could also be considered a "social event" for kids to get together and/or for parents to have a break from their kids... JMO...

A little off topic: I don't know what type of church you were exposed to (maybe, a cult?), but any Christian church would never "indoctrinate" kids. A children's Sunday School (at least, in churches I have attended since I became a Christian) simply teach children Bible lessons, truths about Christ and how to become a Christian, and then grow spiritually. I have never witnessed any indoctrination. I only know about it taking place in various cults.

I know that this is beside the my question as the author of this thread, but I wanted to make it clear for the benefit of other readers of my question.

Thank you.

Sorry to have offended anyone. My apologies. My use of word "indoctrination" was meant to be another term for instructing or teaching or exposing anyone to a series of ideas associated with that group. I was just using "logic" in my comment, not at all meant to run down churches or any religion. No...I has never and am not and will never be associated with any "cult". Nuf said...

Indoctrinate means to teach rudimentary ideals. Most teachers indoctrinate. When you teach gun safety to your kids, you indoctrinate them with gun safety.

MeMelYup wrote: Indoctrinate means to teach rudimentary ideals. Most teachers indoctrinate. When you teach gun safety to your kids, you indoctrinate them with gun safety.

DEFINITION:
in·doc·tri·nate (verb: indoctrinate; 3rd person present: indoctrinates; past tense: indoctrinated; past participle: indoctrinated; gerund or present participle: indoctrinating)
teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

As you see in the definition, the key word is "uncritically". The word "indoctrination" has always had a negative connotation, and no Church I'd ever want to go to would "indoctrinate". In fact, the Bible ENCOURAGES critical thinking and constant questioning of things being taught in order to weed out false teachers. You can clearly see it all throughout the Old and New Testaments.

Indoctrination is employed only by cults, not Christian churches.

Back to the topic. Here is what I found in my research:

The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter.

I think I already know the answer to my question in this post, but I just wanted to bring up this issue to settle it.

Many churches lease space from schools, and, I think, we already established that even in that case a school is a school is a school. So, off limits.

The concern/question remains regarding churches with a dedicated children's Sunday School building (buildings), where children ALSO gather during the week for pre-K and kindergarten.

I would not carry there during the week, just to be on the safe side, but MAY I CARRY IN THAT BUILDING ON SUNDAYS?

Thanks

ATDM wrote: I would not carry there during the week, just to be on the safe side, but MAY I CARRY IN THAT BUILDING ON SUNDAYS?

Thanks

Depends. This is only my view, but if the hallway and room are owned by the church, and not by a seperate entity that is designated as a school, and the area is used for church functions regularly, then it is a church and you can carry. If the area is set up predominatly as a school, but the curch just uses it on Sunday, then it is a school.