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There are extreme solutions and others that do not work. What work and are acceptable, are somewhere in the middle.

Redneck_Buddha wrote:
I know you're not addressing me, but NOT Beiruity's solution. Would you be in favor of a police state?

No I am in favor while in a discussion, that if I'm going to tell someone there idea is bad,, to express what MY idea is.

So NO I don't want a "police State" not that there really is such a definition.. Ideal maybe.. but no real clear definition "police state" is about as non definitive as "assault rifle"

Anyway..
I would love to see a special court set up.. so the accused could have a "speedy trial"
Love to see criminals caught with a gun in the commission of a crime given as long and harsh a sentience as a otherwise lawful citizen that is "caught" with a weapon, whose only crime is the mere possession of said weapon.
Think random raids to know drug dealer locations is a great idea... and if you are accepting public money for housing (or housing in kind), your home should be subject to search anytime.. with the oversight of a judge that confirms the residence in question is in fact provided by public funding.
Would love to see confirmed gang bangers locked up the first time indefinitely if convicted of a serious drug offence (manufacturing or distribution, trafficking) or any crime against a person.. (assault, murder, attempted murder)

Beiruty wrote:There are extreme solutions and others that do not work. What work and are acceptable, are somewhere in the middle.

Effectiveness alone is not the litmus of a workable solution.

It must be both effective and workable... Things that go against current law (which can be changed) or the constitution would be better left out of an honest discussion of what could be done to effect change.

Im well aware of what martial law, curfews and shoot on site (arrest then execute) can accomplish. But those are hardly workable solutions here in the US.

Beiruty wrote:There are extreme solutions and others that do not work. What work and are acceptable, are somewhere in the middle.

Cutting off your head works well to make a head ache go away. The other impacts generaly outweigh the benefit though.

Read this:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi- ... 1206.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suspects are convicted felon with firearms. Last conviction unlawful carry of firearm by a felon (2012) and the criminal is out on the street in less than year. Correctional system in lala land of Chicago is a joke

Beiruty wrote:Read this:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi- ... 1206.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suspects are convicted felon with firearms. Last conviction unlawful carry of firearm by a felon (2012) and the criminal is out on the street in less than year. Correctional system in lala land of Chicago is a joke

And you just made my point.... It's not laws, additional restrictions, Martial Law, on the spot executions that needs to take place like we are in Somalia.

Justice to the felon you describe above simple needs to be as law allows on the hard side,, not the get out of jail free pass side.

If the folks in charge ignore that option now.. what makes you think they would use the more severe options you detailed.
Or are you suggesting taking this out of the states hands and making it a federal thing? I have seen that work well in a few places .. Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and a few others you would need to use Google to find. Point is, it is effective, but not really what we want here.

As I noted, the Chicago Justice System is a joke. Chicago has to either rent an island and throw the scum of this earth there for 10-yrs minimum sentence for each violent crime, or the killing will continue on the killing fields of south and west shore of said Chicago.

Beiruty wrote:As I noted, the Chicago Justice System is a joke. Chicago has to either rent an island and throw the scum of this earth there for 10-yrs minimum sentence for each violent crime, or the killing will continue on the killing fields of south and west shore of said Chicago.

In Islamic Judicial System , "deportation for 1-yr" is part of sentencing.

jmra wrote: Ultimately nothing changes until the people of Chicago decide they have had enough.

Those that did have moved away by now.