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"You mean you don't want guys like this hanging around your establishment?"
No.

gigag04 wrote:...I wouldn't want a bunch of open carry mall ninjas making a scene in there.

Maybe I am in the minority of this but it seems like it would be bad for business. As a pro 2A person, I wouldn't go to an open carry rally, because, I'm always very aware when around armed strangers...and frankly all that hyper awareness gets tiring.

Around six months ago, an employee at a BWW in Manassas told some OCers they had to leave their guns outside. As you can imagine, they got their panties in a twist and organized a boycott with their coworkers. It even made the national news.

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

gigag04 wrote:...I wouldn't want a bunch of open carry mall ninjas making a scene in there.

Maybe I am in the minority of this but it seems like it would be bad for business. As a pro 2A person, I wouldn't go to an open carry rally, because, I'm always very aware when around armed strangers...and frankly all that hyper awareness gets tiring.

(If this is too close to the Starbucks thread please kill it)

So what you're saying is that behavior is secondary to appearance, and that you would support the irrational fears of customers who get scared when they see a gun.

O.K..

How about hoodies? Are you going to target citizens wearing hoodies as well? You know a lot of folks think anyone wearing a hoodie is a thug, and they've probably got a hidden illegal weapon on them anyway, right?

What about the MMA crowd? That shaved headed dude wearing the "affliction" T-shirt is "scary" to a lot of people too.

IMO, behavior is the deciding factor, not appearance. Appearances are easily faked. Behavior, not so much.

But I guess because we're talking about "guns", it's "different" right? It's a "special" case right?

I am probably in the minority, but my rational has nothing to do with guns or 2nd Amendment issues.

I wouldn't want any group to stage any kind of "event" in my business without me inviting them.

WildBill wrote:

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

gigag04 wrote:...I wouldn't want a bunch of open carry mall ninjas making a scene in there.

Maybe I am in the minority of this but it seems like it would be bad for business. As a pro 2A person, I wouldn't go to an open carry rally, because, I'm always very aware when around armed strangers...and frankly all that hyper awareness gets tiring.

(If this is too close to the Starbucks thread please kill it)

So what you're saying is that behavior is secondary to appearance, and that you would support the irrational fears of customers who get scared when they see a gun.

O.K..

How about hoodies? Are you going to target citizens wearing hoodies as well? You know a lot of folks think anyone wearing a hoodie is a thug, and they've probably got a hidden illegal weapon on them anyway, right?

What about the MMA crowd? That shaved headed dude wearing the "affliction" T-shirt is "scary" to a lot of people too.

IMO, behavior is the deciding factor, not appearance. Appearances are easily faked. Behavior, not so much.

But I guess because we're talking about "guns", it's "different" right? It's a "special" case right?

I am probably in the minority, but my rational has nothing to do with guns or 2nd Amendment issues.

I wouldn't want any group to stage any kind of "event" in my business without me inviting them.

I would put up an obvious gun buster sign to placate the liberals and do nothing about
concealed carry. Business wants $$$$$ not politics. Keep everyone happy and spending $$$$

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

gigag04 wrote:...I wouldn't want a bunch of open carry mall ninjas making a scene in there.

Maybe I am in the minority of this but it seems like it would be bad for business. As a pro 2A person, I wouldn't go to an open carry rally, because, I'm always very aware when around armed strangers...and frankly all that hyper awareness gets tiring.

(If this is too close to the Starbucks thread please kill it)

So what you're saying is that behavior is secondary to appearance, and that you would support the irrational fears of customers who get scared when they see a gun.

O.K..

How about hoodies? Are you going to target citizens wearing hoodies as well? You know a lot of folks think anyone wearing a hoodie is a thug, and they've probably got a hidden illegal weapon on them anyway, right?

What about the MMA crowd? That shaved headed dude wearing the "affliction" T-shirt is "scary" to a lot of people too.


IMO, behavior is the deciding factor, not appearance. Appearances are easily faked. Behavior, not so much.

But I guess because we're talking about "guns", it's "different" right? It's a "special" case right?

Right. I agree 100%. Hoodies and Affliction shirts have never been improperly handled by middle aged wannabes who live in their mother's basement and play video games all night. Affliction shirts often are worn a few sizes too small, but that's another talk for another time.

Look, I think everyone should be able to own and carry whatever guns they want, but if a bunch of goobers with Bushmaster-grade rifles decked out with Airsoft accessories get close to my family, you bet ill be a little on edge.

Imagine what the general uneducated public goes through? Educate others in a way they appreciate.

The rabid open carry crowd is about as relevant to society as the KKK, but I will support the right of both groups to assemble and make their scene.

Just not on my privately owned land.

gigag04 wrote:The rabid open carry crowd is about as relevant to society as the KKK, but I will support the right of both groups to assemble and make their scene.

Just not on my privately owned land.

I see a place for it when making an organized political statement on government property. However, I believe it is harmful when it comes into conflict with the rights of private property owners. A business doesn't want that controversy, they simply want to be left alone to conduct business.

For example, it was open carry marches on the statehouse capital that had a huge impact on getting concealed carry passed in Ohio.

jmra wrote: 100%

gigag04 wrote:...I wouldn't want a bunch of open carry mall ninjas making a scene in there.

Maybe I am in the minority of this but it seems like it would be bad for business. As a pro 2A person, I wouldn't go to an open carry rally, because, I'm always very aware when around armed strangers...and frankly all that hyper awareness gets tiring.

(If this is too close to the Starbucks thread please kill it)

I have no problem with folks carrying concealed but these folks who want to make a statement carrying their AR 15 type firearms are hurting all of us. If this type of in your face conduct continues I believe we will see a lot more 30.06 signs being posted. Mr. Cotton & others have worked years getting us where we are just hate to see some folks intentionally seeking conflicts just my 2 cents worth.

It's generally best policy for a business to remain apolitical. The exception being businesses that have a natural fit with a particular political leaning (I.e. local gun shop would be naturally associated with pro 2A).

I would hope that all factions within the pro 2A umbrella will take this opportunity to reevaluate their respective strategies.

WildBill wrote:I am probably in the minority, but my rational has nothing to do with guns or 2nd Amendment issues.

I wouldn't want any group to stage any kind of "event" in my business without me inviting them.

That's a big difference between you and Howard Schultz. He didn't request that customers refrain from having events at Starbucks. He requested that we stop carrying guns even if there's no event and we're carrying concealed.

• Having a pro abortion gathering at Starbucks on January 22nd?
• Having a Starbucks Appreciation Day for supporting gay marriage?
• An antigun group having an event to thank him for opposing guns?
• Carrying a gun while getting a coffee on the way to work?

gringo pistolero wrote:

WildBill wrote:I am probably in the minority, but my rational has nothing to do with guns or 2nd Amendment issues.

I wouldn't want any group to stage any kind of "event" in my business without me inviting them.

That's a big difference between you and Howard Schultz. He didn't request that customers refrain from having events at Starbucks. He requested that we stop carrying guns even if there's no event and we're carrying concealed.

• Having a pro abortion gathering at Starbucks on January 22nd?
• Having a Starbucks Appreciation Day for supporting gay marriage?
• An antigun group having an event to thank him for opposing guns?
• Carrying a gun while getting a coffee on the way to work?

I'd also be willing to bet that if a bunch of pro abortion people made a scene that drove away customers he would ask them not to behave that way.
Just admit it, A bunch of OC motards shot the movement in the foot.

I still say that had the OC nationwide at Starbucks been limited to holstered handguns, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

jmra wrote:

gringo pistolero wrote:

WildBill wrote:I am probably in the minority, but my rational has nothing to do with guns or 2nd Amendment issues.

I wouldn't want any group to stage any kind of "event" in my business without me inviting them.

That's a big difference between you and Howard Schultz. He didn't request that customers refrain from having events at Starbucks. He requested that we stop carrying guns even if there's no event and we're carrying concealed.

• Having a pro abortion gathering at Starbucks on January 22nd?
• Having a Starbucks Appreciation Day for supporting gay marriage?
• An antigun group having an event to thank him for opposing guns?
• Carrying a gun while getting a coffee on the way to work?

I'd also be willing to bet that if a bunch of pro abortion people made a scene that drove away customers he would ask them not to behave that way.
Just admit it, A bunch of OC motards shot the movement in the foot.

I still say that had the OC nationwide at Starbucks been limited to holstered handguns, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

Agree 110%!!!!

WildBill wrote:I also agree with Gigag04

Me too.