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bizarrenormality wrote:"Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

Yeah, but if you go through the paid gate into a controlled and fenced area, you are on the premises, building or not.

This is what I love about out system, laws that are arbitrary. All this about a race track not being a race track unless----- a person being a professional if------it is premises if------. Sounds some of the kaws are written so someone can say "I goucha".

ldj1002 wrote:This is what I love about out system, laws that are arbitrary. All this about a race track not being a race track unless----- a person being a professional if------it is premises if------. Sounds some of the kaws are written so someone can say "I goucha".

Definitions are difficult sometimes. For example an argument could be made that a Texans-Cowboys game is not a "Professional Sporting Event". It could also be said that a Texas A&M-Alabama game is a "Professional Sporting Event"

nightmare69 wrote:Where do we have a horse or dog tracks here in Texas? Can I carry into Lone Star Speedway?

Besides the horse racing at Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, there is a dog track (or at least there WAS a dog track) in El Paso.

n5wd wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:Where do we have a horse or dog tracks here in Texas? Can I carry into Lone Star Speedway?

Besides the horse racing at Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, there is a dog track (or at least there WAS a dog track) in El Paso.

I think Gulf Greyhound Park in Corpus is the only one still open in Texas. There might be something in Juarez, but I sure wouldn't go there to see.

RPBrown wrote: But if they are paid by the prize fund then for our purposes, it is a professional sporting event.

Where does the law say that?

bayouhazard wrote:

RPBrown wrote: But if they are paid by the prize fund then for our purposes, it is a professional sporting event.

Where does the law say that?

pro·fes·sion·al/prəˈfɛʃənl/ [pruh-fesh-uh-nl]
adjective
1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

If you think carnivals are professional sporting events because people can win a prize, I won't waste any more of my time.

bayouhazard wrote:If you think carnivals are professional sporting events because people can win a prize, I won't waste any more of my time.

It's more of a getting paid or compensated to do it. If they are sponsored and receive money to supplement their vehicle, etc, then it is a business. Doing it as a business makes it professional. If they are your Dad and son operation that does it as a hobby, then I would say they were amateurs and not considered legally professionals. The problem is you may have a mixture of types there. This case is definitely a gray area. A NASCAR race would definitely be a professional sporting event.

Keith B wrote:

bayouhazard wrote:If you think carnivals are professional sporting events because people can win a prize, I won't waste any more of my time.

It's more of a getting paid or compensated to do it. If they are sponsored and receive money to supplement their vehicle, etc, then it is a business. Doing it as a business makes it professional. If they are your Dad and son operation that does it as a hobby, then I would say they were amateurs and not considered legally professionals. The problem is you may have a mixture of types there. This case is definitely a gray area. A NASCAR race would definitely be a professional sporting event.

Hummmm, What is a sport? It that question another bucket of worms?

bayouhazard wrote:If you think carnivals are professional sporting events because people can win a prize, I won't waste any more of my time.

As mentioned earlier, the laws leave room for interpretation, and it isn't my opinion that matters but the opinion of an officer and a judge.
I don't consider the primary purpose of a carnival being for people to pay admission so they can watch other people compete for prizes.
I have a cousin who was a professional rodeo rider. People paid admission to the rodeo to watch him compete with other people for prizes. If he lost he didn't get paid, but somebody else did. I would consider auto racing to be the same sort of situation. Even if some of the races are strictly amateur, if there is at least one with cash prizes somebody in authority is likely to consider it a professional sporting event.

So a rodeo would be considered a professional sporting event? I don't know if the local rodeos have a cash prize or not.

nightmare69 wrote:So a rodeo would be considered a professional sporting event? I don't know if the local rodeos have a cash prize or not.

PRCA = Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association

Keith B wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:So a rodeo would be considered a professional sporting event? I don't know if the local rodeos have a cash prize or not.

PRCA = Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association

Our local rodeo is called Gladewater Round-Up Rodeo Association, nothing professional about it. Im not talking about the huge rodeos in Dallas.

nightmare69 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:So a rodeo would be considered a professional sporting event? I don't know if the local rodeos have a cash prize or not.

PRCA = Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association

Our local rodeo is called Gladewater Round-Up Rodeo Association, nothing professional about it. Im not talking about the huge rodeos in Dallas.

You didn't say exactly WHAT rodeo. Little league and park department baseball is not professional. So, not all rodeos may be either. You need to interpret everything individually. Something you will have to learn to do if you want to be a cop.