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Re: dental work done

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:37 pm
by 1s1k52
Well I carried and didn't get the gas. I had a back tooth pulled that I let go way to long and some "patch work" and cleaning done. Got to go again for the other side of my mouth deep cleaning and maybe a route canal. So other then going to the dentist in general it was an ok trip. Thanks for all the replies.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:06 pm
by RoyGBiv
nyj wrote:Whether or not you carry while in the chair, is up to you.
Not picking on you, but, IN MY OPINION, the above statement is not correct.
You are, by TX PC 49.01 "Intoxicated" while under the influence of Nitrous and would be illegally CHL-ing.

Emphasis added...
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
.....................
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(6) “Intoxicated” has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01, Penal Code
.....................
Sec. 49.01. DEFINITIONS.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:20 pm
by nyj
RoyGBiv wrote:
nyj wrote:Whether or not you carry while in the chair, is up to you.
Not picking on you, but, IN MY OPINION, the above statement is not correct.
You are, by TX PC 49.01 "Intoxicated" while under the influence of Nitrous and would be illegally CHL-ing.

Emphasis added...
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
.....................
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(6) “Intoxicated” has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01, Penal Code
.....................
Sec. 49.01. DEFINITIONS.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

How is what I said not correct? You are entitled to do whatever you wish to do, regardless of whatever law is in place. Whether or not you carry in a post office is UP TO YOU, whether or not you carry while having a few beers is your decision, whether or not you murder someone with an axe is up to you. Silly way to try and start a nit-pick argument.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:25 pm
by WildBill
texanjoker wrote:Personally I am not going to lie on the table armed when I am getting my wisdom teeth pulled. After I got back to my car I would rearm myself.
If I had been awake and armed while my wisdom teeth were getting pulled, I probably would have shot the dentist. :mrgreen:

I have never had nitrous oxide. It does wear off very quickly, but I wouldn't drive or carry right after having it.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:15 am
by tommyg
I have had Nitrous at the dentist several times leave your gun in the car when you get out sit
in the waiting room for about 15 minutes and you will be ok :anamatedbanana

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:38 am
by Oldgringo
1s1k52 wrote:I have never had nitrous oxide. Should I be able to legally and confidentially carry during and after visiting the dentist getting my wisdom teeth pulled?
You don't know the dentist and the dentist's staff?

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:06 am
by 1s1k52
Oldgringo wrote:
1s1k52 wrote:I have never had nitrous oxide. Should I be able to legally and confidentially carry during and after visiting the dentist getting my wisdom teeth pulled?
You don't know the dentist and the dentist's staff?
Does anyone else have trouble on this site with an iPhone? Anyways no I dont. I am with the above opinion of rather shooting a dentist then allow work on me. Had some horror stories. They were great though. I don't forsee the root canal I may need being an issue under just some shots of novacaine.

I have realized the denist in the past would give one little shot to numb it. He gave me about 5 and asked every 2 minutes if I was good. The sound hurt more then work.

Does anyone know their dentist? Lol

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:14 am
by 1s1k52
nyj wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:
nyj wrote:Whether or not you carry while in the chair, is up to you.
Not picking on you, but, IN MY OPINION, the above statement is not correct.
You are, by TX PC 49.01 "Intoxicated" while under the influence of Nitrous and would be illegally CHL-ing.

Emphasis added...
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
.....................
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(6) “Intoxicated” has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01, Penal Code
.....................
Sec. 49.01. DEFINITIONS.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

How is what I said not correct? You are entitled to do whatever you wish to do, regardless of whatever law is in place. Whether or not you carry in a post office is UP TO YOU, whether or not you carry while having a few beers is your decision, whether or not you murder someone with an axe is up to you. Silly way to try and start a nit-pick argument.
for argument sake... Could I choose any axe? What if I did not want to use an axe all? How about a spork?

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:32 am
by gdanaher
I'm more worried about having your wisdom teeth pulled with ONLY nitrous oxide........when this happened to me, I was given an IV with a general that put me out totally, but even with that, in pulling one the pressure was such that it woke me and he had to stop and put me out again. My wife drove me home.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:17 pm
by Jaguar
1s1k52 wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:You don't know the dentist and the dentist's staff?
Does anyone else have trouble on this site with an iPhone? Anyways no I dont. I am with the above opinion of rather shooting a dentist then allow work on me. Had some horror stories. They were great though. I don't forsee the root canal I may need being an issue under just some shots of novacaine.

I have realized the denist in the past would give one little shot to numb it. He gave me about 5 and asked every 2 minutes if I was good. The sound hurt more then work.

Does anyone know their dentist? Lol
Went to high school with my dentist. Knowing his history it took me a few visits before I could actually relax. He was always a great guy, but some of the stuff we did could have had negative consequences later in life. Today he's an upstanding guy and great dentist.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:48 pm
by RoyGBiv
nyj wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:
nyj wrote:Whether or not you carry while in the chair, is up to you.
Not picking on you, but, IN MY OPINION, the above statement is not correct.
You are, by TX PC 49.01 "Intoxicated" while under the influence of Nitrous and would be illegally CHL-ing.

Emphasis added...
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
.....................
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(6) “Intoxicated” has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01, Penal Code
.....................
Sec. 49.01. DEFINITIONS.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

How is what I said not correct? You are entitled to do whatever you wish to do, regardless of whatever law is in place. Whether or not you carry in a post office is UP TO YOU, whether or not you carry while having a few beers is your decision, whether or not you murder someone with an axe is up to you. Silly way to try and start a nit-pick argument.
Didn't intend to start an argument. Apologies if I was unclear about my comments....

It is NOT "up to you", not at all. The law has a very clear opinion on it, with specific penalties.
Of course, you can choose to break the law. I suppose in that sense it IS "up to you".
My intent was to point out to other readers that they should not be so casual about making this choice.
Per the Texas Penal Code (see above quote), CHL-ing while under the influence of Nitrous is illegal. No if's, and's or but's.

But yes, in the same sense that murder is "up to you", so is "carrying while intoxicated". Although the penalties are very different. :mrgreen:

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:56 pm
by cb1000rider
gdanaher wrote:I'm more worried about having your wisdom teeth pulled with ONLY nitrous oxide........when this happened to me, I was given an IV with a general that put me out totally, but even with that, in pulling one the pressure was such that it woke me and he had to stop and put me out again. My wife drove me home.

Same thing here, without the wake up. I remember driving home (edit: being driven home), but that's about it.
N20 is an intoxicant. It's pretty instant. It's also almost instantly out of your system.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:26 pm
by WildBill
gdanaher wrote:I'm more worried about having your wisdom teeth pulled with ONLY nitrous oxide........when this happened to me, I was given an IV with a general that put me out totally, but even with that, in pulling one the pressure was such that it woke me and he had to stop and put me out again. My wife drove me home.
I am not a dentist, but I think it depends on the situation. My wisdom teeth were impacted and I had all four pulled at the same time. I was given sodium pentothal [AKA truth serum]. Counting backwards from 10 to 1, I think I made it to 7, then lights out. I was semi-conscious when I was driven home. It wasn't until I woke up later that I felt any pain - I felt like I had been kicked in the head by a mule. For the next several days I ate my meals through a straw. When at all possible, I would suggest avoiding any medical procedure involving a hammer and chisel.

Back to the original topic... Again I am not a dentist or doctor, but nitrous oxide is not an intoxicant like alcohol or narcotic pain killers. Nitrous oxide does not need to be metabolized by the body for its effect to wear off. As soon as the nitrous oxide in your blood is replaced by oxygen the effects are gone. It does makes sense to use caution when you are not familiar with the effects of any medication on your body and brain. I am not suggesting that anybody do anything or act in a certain way, but it is better to have accurate information before making any important decision.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:29 am
by gdanaher
The issue is risk versus risk. You go to Walmart at 11 pm. High risk. Stay alert. Stay armed. Oral surgeon at 10 am. Low threat of hostile attack. High risk of doing something inane while in the chair. "Hey, doc, want'a see my gun? I bet mine's bigger than your's. HaHaHaHa." Lock it in the car.

Re: dental work done

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:10 pm
by rotor
rotor wrote:If all you had was nitrous it is out of your system almost immediately. Sometimes they give you something else while you are under and that may last awhile. Did they say it was ok to drive? If so you should be able to carry.
To correct a point I made here, obviously while you are under you can not legally carry. Once the procedure is over though if all you had was nitrous and some local you should be legally ok to carry. While you are under nitrous you should not carry.