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I sounds like they liked the 10mm, but the gun/grip was too big for many of their hands. Same for the .45. Don't anyone tell them about the Glock-21SF. ShhhhCC Italian wrote:Personally I think they had it right at 10mm. They just didn't train enough Imo.
The G21SF is a full size service pistol. Not exactly kind for small hands. I don't really buy the "small hands" portion of the argument myself. The 1911 has the ability to have one of the slimmest grips I've ever personally handled. Regardless of caliber they choose, they still don't train enough.C-dub wrote:I sounds like they liked the 10mm, but the gun/grip was too big for many of their hands. Same for the .45. Don't anyone tell them about the Glock-21SF. ShhhhCC Italian wrote:Personally I think they had it right at 10mm. They just didn't train enough Imo.
My wife has very small hands and can handle my 1911 with ease. She loves to shoot it but hates my Glock.ripnbst wrote:The G21SF is a full size service pistol. Not exactly kind for small hands. I don't really buy the "small hands" portion of the argument myself. The 1911 has the ability to have one of the slimmest grips I've ever personally handled. Regardless of caliber they choose, they still don't train enough.C-dub wrote:I sounds like they liked the 10mm, but the gun/grip was too big for many of their hands. Same for the .45. Don't anyone tell them about the Glock-21SF. ShhhhCC Italian wrote:Personally I think they had it right at 10mm. They just didn't train enough Imo.
On the face of it this would appear to be absolute proof that, when it comes to caliber, bigger is better. Vaporization always achieves an instant stop.MoJo wrote:Face the facts, a bad hit with a .45 is no more likely to stop a fight than a bad hit with a 9mm. A good hit with a 9mm is no less likely to stop a fight than a good hit with a .45. If you don't get a good solid hit to the thoracic or to the CNS you are just poking holes in your target and probably aggravating him or her.
I haven't heard of many true "one shot stops" short of the Iraqi Republican Guardsman that was shot with the 120mm main gun of an Abrams tank during the battle of 73 Easting during Desert Storm. The tank commander said the guy just vaporized.
My brother, a Marine, saw one shot fired during his stint in Desert Storm. They had an Iraqi piece of armour (personel carrier, not tank) in front of them. The commander wouldn't surrender after repeated attempts at civility on the part of said Marines. The US commander asked their "sniper" (apologies for not knowing the correct military refrence) to send one of the new, at the time, Barret BMG welcome gifts to the commander. After said commander landed back on earth in several pieces, the rest of the clan came pouring out to surrender. I don't know how you do the Wally Walk with an Abrams but if bigger isn't better, it can be pretty nice.Excaliber wrote:On the face of it this would appear to be absolute proof that, when it comes to caliber, bigger is better. Vaporization always achieves an instant stop.MoJo wrote:Face the facts, a bad hit with a .45 is no more likely to stop a fight than a bad hit with a 9mm. A good hit with a 9mm is no less likely to stop a fight than a good hit with a .45. If you don't get a good solid hit to the thoracic or to the CNS you are just poking holes in your target and probably aggravating him or her.
I haven't heard of many true "one shot stops" short of the Iraqi Republican Guardsman that was shot with the 120mm main gun of an Abrams tank during the battle of 73 Easting during Desert Storm. The tank commander said the guy just vaporized.
Since that is a transport plane, the only bombs I have seen them drop is one of those Fuel Air Explosive bombs. I think it was the MOAB or something.bigity wrote:I prefer something air-based.
Well, you're right, in a way, but you're really wrong.MechAg94 wrote:Since that is a transport plane, the only bombs I have seen them drop is one of those Fuel Air Explosive bombs. I think it was the MOAB or something.bigity wrote:I prefer something air-based.
There may be a difference how they penetrate sheet metal and windshieldsmojo84 wrote:.45 has a bigger sweet spot. Kind of like the jumbo drivers the golfers are using nowadays. However, I don't think there is enough difference between 9mm, .45 and .40 to argue over. I'm sure someone is getting something or some kind of preferential treatment for the fbi to make the switch.
Still not going to argue over which caliber is best.patterson wrote:There may be a difference how they penetrate sheet metal and windshieldsmojo84 wrote:.45 has a bigger sweet spot. Kind of like the jumbo drivers the golfers are using nowadays. However, I don't think there is enough difference between 9mm, .45 and .40 to argue over. I'm sure someone is getting something or some kind of preferential treatment for the fbi to make the switch.
Pawpaw wrote:Well, you're right, in a way, but you're really wrong.MechAg94 wrote:Since that is a transport plane, the only bombs I have seen them drop is one of those Fuel Air Explosive bombs. I think it was the MOAB or something.bigity wrote:I prefer something air-based.
That's not a C-130 transport... That's an AC-130 gunship. See those things sticking out of the left side of the plane, forward of the inboard engine?
And then some. Depending on which model AC-130 Gunship you're talking about.gljjt wrote:Pawpaw wrote:Well, you're right, in a way, but you're really wrong.MechAg94 wrote:Since that is a transport plane, the only bombs I have seen them drop is one of those Fuel Air Explosive bombs. I think it was the MOAB or something.bigity wrote:I prefer something air-based.
That's not a C-130 transport... That's an AC-130 gunship. See those things sticking out of the left side of the plane, forward of the inboard engine?
Flying Tank.
