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Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:21 pm
by suthdj
TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Thanks, it sounds like he had to much time on his hands, if all weapons should be considered in condition zero then having 5 conditions is pointless.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:54 pm
by txglock21
mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.
Thanks, that makes sense. I was thinking more of CC.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:21 pm
by TVGuy
mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.
Correct, I had a loaded weapon in the console and the others were in my range bag in the back seat w/ rifle in the trunk. No reason to have all loaded.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:25 pm
by TVGuy
AlaskanInTexas wrote:joe817 wrote:Those are the stories I like to hear! Thanks for sharing!
I prefer not to hear stories about people breaking the law and driving unsafely, putting their own tardiness above the welfare of innocent people, and then having the police do nothing about it. But glad the interaction vis a vis the firearms was professional and went well.
Let me be clear, it is a 4 lane highway (each direction) and hardly anyone else was around. I'd say the average speed of the others was around 75. It shouldn't be posted as a 60.
That having been said, I've been pulled over only one time in ten years other than this and haven't had a wreck in 20+. I drive safely on a regular basis.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:27 pm
by carlson1
TVGuy wrote:mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.
Correct, I had a loaded weapon in the console and the others were in my range bag in the back seat w/ rifle in the trunk. No reason to have all loaded.
All of mine are always loaded because firearms are always loaded.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm
by TVGuy
carlson1 wrote:TVGuy wrote:mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.
Correct, I had a loaded weapon in the console and the others were in my range bag in the back seat w/ rifle in the trunk. No reason to have all loaded.
All of mine are always loaded because firearms are always loaded.
Touché.
I treat them all as if they are loaded, but in actuality three of them were not.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:36 pm
by anygunanywhere
txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:57 pm
by carlson1
anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:53 pm
by anygunanywhere
carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:01 pm
by carlson1
anygunanywhere wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
I guess I live a sheltered life.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:26 am
by jmra
carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
I guess I live a sheltered life.
What condition is the gun in if it doesn't have a hammer?
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:46 am
by anygunanywhere
jmra wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
I guess I live a sheltered life.
What condition is the gun in if it doesn't have a hammer?
Or doesn't have a safety?
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:27 am
by suthdj
anygunanywhere wrote:jmra wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
I guess I live a sheltered life.
What condition is the gun in if it doesn't have a hammer?
Or doesn't have a safety?
It is in condition Glock.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:35 am
by TVGuy
anygunanywhere wrote:jmra wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:carlson1 wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.
Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.
I guess I live a sheltered life.
What condition is the gun in if it doesn't have a hammer?
Or doesn't have a safety?
A glock
(or any other gun) without external safety and that is striker fired is considered condition one with a full mag and one in the chamber.
Re: Pulled over twice in two days...
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:40 am
by txglock21
anygunanywhere wrote:txglock21 wrote:TexasVet wrote:suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.
The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.
Thank you for the response, but I had acknowledged that I was only thinking about concealed carry. Yes, there are many times you would keep guns unloaded, such as storage or multiple carry to the range.
txglock21 wrote:mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.
Thanks, that makes sense. I was thinking more of CC.