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The Wall wrote:I wish they would just go to one sign. 30.06/07 for instance. Common sense tells you if an establishment doesn't want concealed carry they certainly don't want open carry. But then again there are some that don't mind concealed carry but don't want open carry. So I guess that's why they have to have two signs. So much for my common sense theory. How about they put both signs on one piece of paper with a perforated line in the middle, and you can cut off the part you don't want.

I think that is exactly right. I think that there are some businesses that don't want their customers to be "alarmed" or "scared" or whatever about a MWAG, but do take that don't ask, don't tell approach so that if you are CC, and nobody complains...there "is no problem." So I think that at least in the beginning there will be a lot of 30.07 signage without 30.06. And slowly those who don't want anyone to carry will realize they need new 30.06 and 30.07, while many will simply put up 30.07 and even take down 30.06 thinking that they don't need both (after all, some legislatures clearly don't read the laws themselves so many business owners also won't).

The Wall wrote:I wish they would just go to one sign. 30.06/07 for instance. Common sense tells you if an establishment doesn't want concealed carry they certainly don't want open carry. But then again there are some that don't mind concealed carry but don't want open carry. So I guess that's why they have to have two signs. So much for my common sense theory. How about they put both signs on one piece of paper with a perforated line in the middle, and you can cut off the part you don't want.

I believe most businesses don't care about guns as long as it doesn't negatively impact their business. They don't care about concealed carry unless it becomes an issue. Out of sight, out of mind. Starbucks sells coffee. Gun owner, non-gun owner, Lexus driver, Chevy driver, mom, dad, grandparent, black, white.....they don't care. After foolish activism by over zealous gun owners OCing long guns, they received a lot of attention NOT related to selling coffee. They issued a statement that requested guns not be carried in their stores. They did NOT make it a legal requirement to not carry, especially concealed. I predict that some overzealous types will make an issue out of denial of open carry in places like Starbucks and you will see 30.07 signs appear. I predict minimal increase in 30.06 signage because CC doesn't alarm customers and impact business in a negative fashion. Again, out of sight, out of mind. I think dual signage is brilliant.

ScottDLS wrote:If a place has a 30.06 sign and you open carry, you'll very likely be given verbal (no, i'm not going to say oral) notice pretty quickly. Figure if they go to the trouble to prohibit CC they'll stop you from OC.

Possibly. If they notice you.

But most people will not notice. The years I open carried, 99% of sheeple were totally oblivious to their surroundings. People are walking around with their nose buried in their phone.

If someone in apparent authority does notice or receives a complaint, then I agree it is likely they will give verbal notice.

casp625 wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

drjoker wrote:Very nice. Who should I thank for this? Mr. Cotton? The NRA?

Man, one of my biggest concerns with concealed carry is accidentally carrying past a 30.06 posted property by not using the entrance where it is posted. THAT's why I'm a NRA life member, man.

Not anymore (after 1 Jan 2016, that is)!

Accidentally carrying past a 30.06 is reduced from a Class A to a Class C misdemeanor (effectively the same level as a $200 traffic ticket). After having done so, if they inform you orally and you refuse to leave, then it is a Class A.

This is only for 30.06, however...the penalty for carrying past a 30.07 sign is still a Class A.

Incorrect. Class C applies to 30.07 as well unless you are asked to leave and don't.

I stand corrected (and I edited my post above to be correct now). Thank you!

Vol Texan wrote:

casp625 wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

drjoker wrote:Very nice. Who should I thank for this? Mr. Cotton? The NRA?

Man, one of my biggest concerns with concealed carry is accidentally carrying past a 30.06 posted property by not using the entrance where it is posted. THAT's why I'm a NRA life member, man.

Not anymore (after 1 Jan 2016, that is)!

Accidentally carrying past a 30.06 is reduced from a Class A to a Class C misdemeanor (effectively the same level as a $200 traffic ticket). After having done so, if they inform you orally and you refuse to leave, then it is a Class A.

This is only for 30.06, however...the penalty for carrying past a 30.07 sign is still a Class A.

Incorrect. Class C applies to 30.07 as well unless you are asked to leave and don't.

I stand corrected (and I edited my post above to be correct now). Thank you!

Just to add, it will still be a class A if you walk past a 30.06 sign on a college campus once campus carry goes into effect.

Jumping Frog wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:If a place has a 30.06 sign and you open carry, you'll very likely be given verbal (no, i'm not going to say oral) notice pretty quickly. Figure if they go to the trouble to prohibit CC they'll stop you from OC.

Possibly. If they notice you.

But most people will not notice. The years I open carried, 99% of sheeple were totally oblivious to their surroundings. People are walking around with their nose buried in their phone.

If someone in apparent authority does notice or receives a complaint, then I agree it is likely they will give verbal notice.

When I was elsewhere and OC'ing, there was only a couple of times that anyone seemed to notice. It probably helped that I use a Fobus paddle and my arm tended to obscure it unless you were looking from behind me. But after the first few minutes of being sure that everyone knew that I was OC'ing, it got to the point where I was sure that nobody even noticed.

I'm kind of looking forward to open carry so that I can practice my own brand of "sloppy" concealed carry. That would be full size Glock or Beretta 9mm in IWB belt holster at 4-6 o'clock, whether wearing a jacket or not. I'm sure some time I'll carry my .357 low on the right hip 'Deputy Rick Grimes' style. Then I'll go back to pocket .380 which is just honestly more comfortable 90% of the time.

I won't open carry period. No one needs to know I'm armed but me.

texas-sig wrote:I won't open carry period. No one needs to know I'm armed but me.

texas-sig wrote:I won't open carry period. No one needs to know I'm armed but me.

The important point is that we agree we will carry. As to strategy and tactics, we must each make our own decision based on our different circumstances. I will carry openly when I can, concealed when I must. The important point is that I will carry.

The most important point is that we can have meaningful, civilized discussions and agree to disagree.

Our civilized, lawful exercise of our rights in protecting ourselves and those close to us will carry the day. I've carried openly in Oklahoma, Colorado, and New Mexico. I plan to visit Arizona this summer and carry openly there, along with my 18 year old son. In discussions with citizens and LEO in open carry states, I have experienced no difficulties or negative situations. I firmly believe that Texans (with some notable exceptions) are at least as capable as citizens of these other states. They adjusted, we will adjust.

God bless Texas.

casp625 wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

drjoker wrote:Very nice. Who should I thank for this? Mr. Cotton? The NRA?

Man, one of my biggest concerns with concealed carry is accidentally carrying past a 30.06 posted property by not using the entrance where it is posted. THAT's why I'm a NRA life member, man.

Not anymore (after 1 Jan 2016, that is)!

Accidentally carrying past a 30.06 is reduced from a Class A to a Class C misdemeanor (effectively the same level as a $200 traffic ticket). After having done so, if they inform you orally and you refuse to leave, then it is a Class A.

This is only for 30.06, however...the penalty for carrying past a 30.07 sign is still a Class A.

Incorrect. Class C applies to 30.07 as well unless you are asked to leave and don't.

Ok so lets say I go to the mall and its posted 30.07 at the main entrances of the mall but not at a department store which I enter (or I just dont see a sign for some reason). I walk in with the mall with my handgun worn on my hip. I get stopped by a security guard or LEO. Is that a class C ticket on the spot or just asked to leave?

maximus2161 wrote:

casp625 wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

drjoker wrote:Very nice. Who should I thank for this? Mr. Cotton? The NRA?

Man, one of my biggest concerns with concealed carry is accidentally carrying past a 30.06 posted property by not using the entrance where it is posted. THAT's why I'm a NRA life member, man.

Not anymore (after 1 Jan 2016, that is)!

Accidentally carrying past a 30.06 is reduced from a Class A to a Class C misdemeanor (effectively the same level as a $200 traffic ticket). After having done so, if they inform you orally and you refuse to leave, then it is a Class A.

This is only for 30.06, however...the penalty for carrying past a 30.07 sign is still a Class A.

Incorrect. Class C applies to 30.07 as well unless you are asked to leave and don't.

Ok so lets say I go to the mall and its posted 30.07 at the main entrances of the mall but not at a department store which I enter (or I just dont see a sign for some reason). I walk in with the mall with my handgun worn on my hip. I get stopped by a security guard or LEO. Is that a class C ticket on the spot or just asked to leave?

TECHNICALLY, all 30.07 signs are supposed to be posted at ALL entrances to an establishment. If they didn't post it at the department stores and you got a ticket, I suppose you could probably get it dismissed. However, if it is posted at all entrances and you miss it, I guess it would be up to the LEO that you encounter. Be polite and you may just be asked to leave. I'd equate it to speeding: some officers give you a ticket while others give you a warning.

So,

to be clear, does the change in the 30.06 posting language mean all the current signs are invalidated and have to be replaced?

If so, I can see a lot of complaining coming from the business community for the burden of replacing those signs.

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Paddler112 wrote: to be clear, does the change in the 30.06 posting language mean all the current signs are invalidated and have to be replaced?

Well, they will be invalidated. They are not required to be replaced. A business can always choose respecting the liberty of its patrons instead.

Paddler112 wrote:If so, I can see a lot of complaining coming from the business community for the burden of replacing those signs.

Let 'em whine.

Paddler112 wrote:So,

to be clear, does the change in the 30.06 posting language mean all the current signs are invalidated and have to be replaced?

If so, I can see a lot of complaining coming from the business community for the burden of replacing those signs.

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I personally will not walk past an old invalid 30.06 sign. Lawyers are way too expensive even when you get your case dismissed.