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No matter how hard one tries, you can't shoot the gun while in a good holster, no matter the make or condition.

It's not supposed to be out of the holster unless you are in a life or death situation.

I don't see the problem here.

TVGuy wrote:No matter how hard one tries, you can't shoot the gun while in a good holster, no matter the make or condition.

It's not supposed to be out of the holster unless you are in a life or death situation.

I don't see the problem here.

I agree, in principal. In practice, its a little more complicated than that. Folks that choose to go to posted locations have to disarm and some of us will leave the rig on and remove the pistol, rather than removing the entire holster and worry about trying to strap it back on in the car.

It doesn't excuse a ND, but its also a factor.

The only reason I carry a glock 17 is for magazine capacity. Otherwise im a 1911 kind of person. Each does things well and bad. I used to think 1911 were unsafe until I took one apart and found out with the safety on basically their is no physical way for the hammer to drop.

I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

FNH makes their Striker Fired FNS pistol with a Safety, if you want that.
If carrying a Striker fired, I would like the XD or the FNS.

I prefer the FNX line with the hammer. You can carry that pistol like this:

* Hammer back, safety on or off
* Hammer forward, safety on off

If the hammer is back, it is a SA pistol. Conversely, if it is forward, it is a DA pistol.
You can really address your 'comfort level' about cocked and locked with this pistol.
The problem is the size of the FNX. Not small handguns.

No matter how hard one tries, you can't shoot the gun while in a good holster, no matter the make or condition.

It's not supposed to be out of the holster unless you are in a life or death situation.

I don't see the problem here.

In principle, all quite true, but exceptions happen. I unholster my pistol before putting it away for the evening in it's little bedside gun safe, and I feel I control the gun better if I put the holster on in the morning and then holster the gun with the holster secure on my belt.

Or, I stop at the post office and secure the firearm in my truck. One technique is to unclip the holster with the gun in it, but I don't like the way the holster will catch on my shirt. It seems safer to handle the gun directly. I generally check my PO Box in the company of a sad, empty holster under my shirt.

In other words, my normal practices involve unholstering and reholstering, and those are risks to be undertaken with care. If I don't undertake such things with care I'll get undertaken by a gen-u-ine undertaker. Don't want that.

The real question is probably whether or not any actual data reflects the myth of Glock ND's, particularly with regard to holstering. If so, there's a lesson the wise will heed. I don't mean to say anything bad about Glocks, just that if any gun type emphasizes a certain type of accident, pistoleros of all varieties can probably benefit from the knowledge.

Carry safe, whatever you carry. Just four rules will save all kinds of grief, and none of them say avoid Glock pistols.

Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

As long as the muzzle is pointed at a safe target, I don't see a violation.

Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

Almost anyone who carries a semi with a round in the chamber is going to have to squeeze the trigger at some point prior to breakdown, right? Clear mag, cycle to remove chambered round, trigger pull at a safe backdrop to drop hammer.

Pistols with a decocker and revolvers are the glaring exception. Am I missing something?

Taypo wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

Almost anyone who carries a semi with a round in the chamber is going to have to squeeze the trigger at some point prior to breakdown, right? Clear mag, cycle to remove chambered round, trigger pull at a safe backdrop to drop hammer.

Pistols with a decocker and revolvers are the glaring exception. Am I missing something?

The M&P does not require a trigger pull to clear or break down. I only pull the trigger when dry firing and at the range. I don't know about others

GeekwithaGun wrote:

Taypo wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

Almost anyone who carries a semi with a round in the chamber is going to have to squeeze the trigger at some point prior to breakdown, right? Clear mag, cycle to remove chambered round, trigger pull at a safe backdrop to drop hammer.

Pistols with a decocker and revolvers are the glaring exception. Am I missing something?

The M&P does not require a trigger pull to clear or break down. I only pull the trigger when dry firing and at the range. I don't know about others

You can breakdown an M&P with the hammer cocked? I did not know that - thanks! It's entirely possible im just used to dropping the hammer on my pistols before cleaning and I'm just talking out my fifth point of contact lol.

Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.

Then I guess you never do dry fire practice, which puts you at a huge disadvantage in case the unlikely gunfight occurs.

I'll stick with my daily practice and Glock (w/ described takedown procedure) while triple-checking it's condition before pulling the trigger.

Taypo wrote:Almost anyone who carries a semi with a round in the chamber is going to have to squeeze the trigger at some point prior to breakdown, right? Clear mag, cycle to remove chambered round, trigger pull at a safe backdrop to drop hammer.

Pistols with a decocker and revolvers are the glaring exception. Am I missing something?

I've never owned a semi-auto pistol that required you to squeeze the trigger to do any of those things you listed. And there's a lot of them that I owned. But in all honesty, they were hammer fired pistols. Many were SAO, a lot were SA/DA. No striker fired guns....that I remember. I guess it would be a fun exercise for me to list/remember all of the one's I've had over my lifetime, but it would take me a while.

Mr. Owens' knee jerk reaction to kick Glocks under the bus is ludicrous. Do I think having to press the trigger should be part of the process to field strip the gun -- NO. Do I think this could have been dealt with differently by design -- YES, and others have done so. Do I think that a single trigger press feel is better than two different ones on a carry gun -- YES, a single, consistent trigger pull is easier to train with. Do I think that an SAO trigger is inherently unsafe -- NO, safety is between the ears and executed at the extremeties. That said, once you have reduced the control points needed to fire a gun to a trigger press with a modest pull, good safety habits are imperative for the user, as is the use of good accessories -- triggers can be pressed by things other than fingers. YMMV, of course, and apparently Mr. Owens' does.