Is my thigh rig considered a belt holster since it attaches to my belt?casp625 wrote:Oh god, "is-grip-showing-considered-open-carry" is turning into the new "is-iwb-holster-a-belt-holster"


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Is my thigh rig considered a belt holster since it attaches to my belt?casp625 wrote:Oh god, "is-grip-showing-considered-open-carry" is turning into the new "is-iwb-holster-a-belt-holster"
I agree. Also, the retention requirements are non-existent in the Open Carry Law, so that's a moot point. If the handgun is showing, open carry, if it isn't, concealed carry.Charlies.Contingency wrote: I thought it was pretty clear that the holster has nothing to do with it being "open carry." Yes a holster must meet certain requirements to legally open carry with, but as long as the firearm itself, or a portion of it can be seen, then it is considered "open" as it can be seen. If it cannot be seen, it is concealed. If you put on a flap holster like a Calvary Officers holster, and the handgun cannot be seen, it is concealed. Same concept of carrying a rifle in a case. Just because you know it's a rifle case, doesn't make it open carry of a rifle. If the rifle is seen, it is "open."
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Did I mention retention? If you mean by my statement in Blue above, then I meant the "belt or shoulder" requirement.joelamosobadiah wrote:I agree. Also, the retention requirements are non-existent in the Open Carry Law, so that's a moot point. If the handgun is showing, open carry, if it isn't, concealed carry.Charlies.Contingency wrote: I thought it was pretty clear that the holster has nothing to do with it being "open carry." Yes a holster must meet certain requirements to legally open carry with, but as long as the firearm itself, or a portion of it can be seen, then it is considered "open" as it can be seen. If it cannot be seen, it is concealed. If you put on a flap holster like a Calvary Officers holster, and the handgun cannot be seen, it is concealed. Same concept of carrying a rifle in a case. Just because you know it's a rifle case, doesn't make it open carry of a rifle. If the rifle is seen, it is "open."
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To me that is not really that different from wearing a Sneaky Pete. I don't know that what may be a holster has inside of it. I have personally seen a holster like what you have pictured used to carry a cellphone. This has been discussed here many times, like with someone wearing a fanny pack, or a tactical carrying case, or a Sneaky Pete. I agree that someone investigating could determine that it really did hold a handgun, but that's a conclusion reached only by an officer asking you what is in there, not necessarily by walking up to you and saying that it appears you have hidden a handgun there in the whatever it is. It seems to me that if they have to investigate, and ask, then it clearly wasn't "openly discernible" after all.NotRPB wrote:One person could put a paper towel over the grip of the pistol in that flap holster ... true it "could be a toy/replica/antique" pistol ... but the investigating officer would determine it is a "real" handgun.
I do like Sneaky Pete and have one for my Kimber and one of my H&K. Nobody has given it a second look.NotRPB wrote:Open carry of rifles isn't illegal, nor is concealed carry in a guitar/violin case
Good point
Sneaky Pete and Wilderness Safepacker are similar square not commonly associated as holster shapes necessarily containing guns and = concealed (Thanks for that, I hadn't heard of Sneaky Pete holsters, now I need one, well, several lol)
Cavalry Officers holster with flap, anyone who ever saw a movie, instantly would think "gun" not sure they could "discern" "gun" I never saw anyone ever using it, that shape holster for EMT tools, computer repair tools, medical devices, pagers, tablets, cell phones, hammers etc If that IS a concealed carry holster, ...perhaps if worn where concealed handguns allowed and where open carry prohibited? ... I still wouldn't risk it. I like that type holster, but not worth the potential cost in that particular situation
I apologize, I clipped the quote to make the post not be huge and accidentally removed the entire other quote. The retention comment was not in regards to your post.Charlies.Contingency wrote:Did I mention retention? If you mean by my statement in Blue above, then I meant the "belt or shoulder" requirement.joelamosobadiah wrote:I agree. Also, the retention requirements are non-existent in the Open Carry Law, so that's a moot point. If the handgun is showing, open carry, if it isn't, concealed carry.Charlies.Contingency wrote: I thought it was pretty clear that the holster has nothing to do with it being "open carry." Yes a holster must meet certain requirements to legally open carry with, but as long as the firearm itself, or a portion of it can be seen, then it is considered "open" as it can be seen. If it cannot be seen, it is concealed. If you put on a flap holster like a Calvary Officers holster, and the handgun cannot be seen, it is concealed. Same concept of carrying a rifle in a case. Just because you know it's a rifle case, doesn't make it open carry of a rifle. If the rifle is seen, it is "open."
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Glockster wrote:To me that is not really that different from wearing a Sneaky Pete. I don't know that what may be a holster has inside of it. I have personally seen a holster like what you have pictured used to carry a cellphone. This has been discussed here many times, like with someone wearing a fanny pack, or a tactical carrying case, or a Sneaky Pete. I agree that someone investigating could determine that it really did hold a handgun, but that's a conclusion reached only by an officer asking you what is in there, not necessarily by walking up to you and saying that it appears you have hidden a handgun there in the whatever it is. It seems to me that if they have to investigate, and ask, then it clearly wasn't "openly discernible" after all.NotRPB wrote:One person could put a paper towel over the grip of the pistol in that flap holster ... true it "could be a toy/replica/antique" pistol ... but the investigating officer would determine it is a "real" handgun.
That would make sense except that for example, a Sneaky Pete doesn't look like a holster. It's a completely closed leather box that could hold lots of things.der Teufel wrote:Glockster wrote:To me that is not really that different from wearing a Sneaky Pete. I don't know that what may be a holster has inside of it. I have personally seen a holster like what you have pictured used to carry a cellphone. This has been discussed here many times, like with someone wearing a fanny pack, or a tactical carrying case, or a Sneaky Pete. I agree that someone investigating could determine that it really did hold a handgun, but that's a conclusion reached only by an officer asking you what is in there, not necessarily by walking up to you and saying that it appears you have hidden a handgun there in the whatever it is. It seems to me that if they have to investigate, and ask, then it clearly wasn't "openly discernible" after all.NotRPB wrote:One person could put a paper towel over the grip of the pistol in that flap holster ... true it "could be a toy/replica/antique" pistol ... but the investigating officer would determine it is a "real" handgun.
When I was in school, a teacher posed a question: If we replaced the roll-up window shades with blanket material, would you still call them window shades, or would you call them blankets? We discussed this for several minutes, and there were differing opinions, until the teacher asked "What would a stranger who walked in say?" We all agreed the first question would be "What are those blankets doing on the windows?"
I think anyone who sees a gun holster would assume there was a gun inside. They may be wrong, but that would be their first and probably only assumption. I also believe a jury would conclude that you weren't concealing a firearm by carrying it in an openly visible holster.
YMMV
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I looked up Sneaky Pete holsters and came to the conclusion that there is no way to tell what it is used for. Thus, I would have to say, even if you had the holster openly visible, you would still be concealed carrying. Looks like a big cell phone holster or other tool! Maybe you are an electrician and have tools for that in there.Glockster wrote:That would make sense except that for example, a Sneaky Pete doesn't look like a holster. It's a completely closed leather box that could hold lots of things.der Teufel wrote:Glockster wrote:To me that is not really that different from wearing a Sneaky Pete. I don't know that what may be a holster has inside of it. I have personally seen a holster like what you have pictured used to carry a cellphone. This has been discussed here many times, like with someone wearing a fanny pack, or a tactical carrying case, or a Sneaky Pete. I agree that someone investigating could determine that it really did hold a handgun, but that's a conclusion reached only by an officer asking you what is in there, not necessarily by walking up to you and saying that it appears you have hidden a handgun there in the whatever it is. It seems to me that if they have to investigate, and ask, then it clearly wasn't "openly discernible" after all.NotRPB wrote:One person could put a paper towel over the grip of the pistol in that flap holster ... true it "could be a toy/replica/antique" pistol ... but the investigating officer would determine it is a "real" handgun.
When I was in school, a teacher posed a question: If we replaced the roll-up window shades with blanket material, would you still call them window shades, or would you call them blankets? We discussed this for several minutes, and there were differing opinions, until the teacher asked "What would a stranger who walked in say?" We all agreed the first question would be "What are those blankets doing on the windows?"
I think anyone who sees a gun holster would assume there was a gun inside. They may be wrong, but that would be their first and probably only assumption. I also believe a jury would conclude that you weren't concealing a firearm by carrying it in an openly visible holster.
YMMV
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