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Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:56 pm
by JALLEN
WTR wrote:
This and TU being 40 acres? You sure you are from Texas.
Absolutely. Born and raised. President Houston had the distinction, among many others, of having the city of my birth named after him. A UT alum, a long time ago.
If you think the "40 acres" is actually 40 acres, you might be an Aggie engineer!

Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:13 pm
by MechAg94
I don't think Aggies were the ones calling it "the forty acres".
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:31 pm
by WTR
Well, you are correct, I am an Ag. However, as the medium is so dry, I say what I mean and mean what I say. I am familiar with the term the lower or back 40. I am also familiar with Austin as both my sister and BIL are tea Sips. You might want to look at S. Houston's past......you might not be so proud of the name. Add the former Mayor you folks elected and I'm not to sure you Houstonians are Texans.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:55 pm
by JALLEN
WTR wrote:Well, you are correct, I am an Ag. However, as the medium is so dry, I say what I mean and mean what I say. I am familiar with the term the lower or back 40. I am also familiar with Austin as both my sister and BIL are tea Sips. You might want to look at S. Houston's past......you might not be so proud of the name. Add the former Mayor you folks elected and I'm not to sure you Houstonians are Texans.
That is quite absurd. Houston is in Texas, of course.
The "40 acres" of UT, by the way, refers to the original size of the campus, not some colloquial rural expression.
I am quite proud of Houston, and my remote connection to him. I wish I knew more about him, but nothing I do know is cause for shame.
That may not extend to some of the present inhabitants, but that is not my fault. I have never voted in Houston, so no need to assume facts not in evidence. I've not resided in Houston for more than 60 years.
Sam Houston must have been a remarkable man. His military exploits are well known. As a young boy, I played under the very tree he was under when receiving the surrender of El Presidente Santa Ana on April 22, 1836. Elected Governor of two states, President of the Republic twice, a Senator for many years, despite being a naturalized Cherokee.
It is a remarkable coincidence that my mother was present with the son of Sam Houston, Andrew Jackson Houston, at the dedication of the Monument at San Jacinto in 1936.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:02 pm
by Glockster
JALLEN wrote:
Sam Houston must have been a remarkable man. His military exploits are well known. As a young boy, I played under the very tree he was under when receiving the surrender of El Presidente Santa Ana on April 22, 1836. Elected Governor of two states, President of the Republic twice, a Senator for many years, despite being a naturalized Cherokee.
Neat! For those of us interested in historical things like that, where is that tree and how did you happen to play under it?
Added: Ah, the Battle of San Jacinto. I did get to that battlefield but the skeeters were vicious that day and so didn't linger long amongst the trees other than to see the graves and memorials.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:02 pm
by WTR
The "40 acres" of UT, by the way, refers to the original size of the campus, not some colloquial rural expression. UTA.......be specific. Houston.......the Gov. who wouldn't pledge allegiance to the Confederacy so he was booted into retirement.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:39 pm
by JALLEN
Glockster wrote:JALLEN wrote:
Sam Houston must have been a remarkable man. His military exploits are well known. As a young boy, I played under the very tree he was under when receiving the surrender of El Presidente Santa Ana on April 22, 1836. Elected Governor of two states, President of the Republic twice, a Senator for many years, despite being a naturalized Cherokee.
Neat! For those of us interested in historical things like that, where is that tree and how did you happen to play under it?
.......
Added: Ah, the Battle of San Jacinto. I did get to that battlefield but the skeeters were vicious that day and so didn't linger long amongst the trees other than to see the graves and memorials.
That's the one! I don't remember any graves, but no matter.
We lived near Park Place area after the war. My granddad was a manager of Hughes Tool Co. and had taken my mom, then a young teen, to the dedication in 1936. We went out there quite often in the late 40's-early 50's. We played there dozens, if not hundreds of times, and on the
Texas as well.
The very tree was still there into the mid-50's, but has now been removed and the site is marked with a granite/marble marker, near the northwest end of the island. I stopped by there about ten years ago when we had a layover on a flight. To my dismay, the tree was gone. A lot has changed. There is a now a parking area and a star shaped promenade in the area, and a large marker, where the Texans camped.
I might have spent more time there than General Houston!
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:45 pm
by WTR
If I remember correctly , someone poisoned the tree and it had to be removed.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:47 pm
by JALLEN
WTR wrote:Houston.......the Gov. who wouldn't pledge allegiance to the Confederacy so he was booted into retirement.
I've always considered that to be a sterling example of wise, principled, courageous leadership. Houston's vote upholding the Missouri Compromise, and his refusal to pledge to the Confederacy was featured in "Profiles in Courage."
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:48 pm
by Glockster
JALLEN wrote:Glockster wrote:JALLEN wrote:
Sam Houston must have been a remarkable man. His military exploits are well known. As a young boy, I played under the very tree he was under when receiving the surrender of El Presidente Santa Ana on April 22, 1836. Elected Governor of two states, President of the Republic twice, a Senator for many years, despite being a naturalized Cherokee.
Neat! For those of us interested in historical things like that, where is that tree and how did you happen to play under it?
.......
Added: Ah, the Battle of San Jacinto. I did get to that battlefield but the skeeters were vicious that day and so didn't linger long amongst the trees other than to see the graves and memorials.
That's the one! I don't remember any graves, but no matter.
We lived near Park Place area after the war. My granddad was a manager of Hughes Tool Co. and had taken my mom, then a young teen, to the dedication in 1936. We went out there quite often in the late 40's-early 50's. We played there dozens, if not hundreds of times, and on the
Texas as well.
The very tree was still there into the mid-50's, but has now been removed and the site is marked with a granite/marble marker, near the northwest end of the island. I stopped by there about ten years ago when we had a layover on a flight. To my dismay, the tree was gone. A lot has changed. There is a now a parking area and a star shaped promenade in the area, and a large marker, where the Texans camped.
I might have spent more time there than General Houston!
Yup, have placed hands on that marker! As someone new(er) to TX, there are quite a few really interesting things to see and places to go. I enjoyed my time there, and touring the Texas and hope to get back there again.

Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:41 pm
by baldeagle
I sent the station the following comment:
This article is an astoundingly bad piece of reporting.
"AUSTIN, Texas — Administrators at University of Texas are now saying guns will not be allowed on campus.
UT's Faculty Council says allowing students and staff to carry guns would take away from the schools mission. They also say it will create an uneasy and hostile environment.
Campus carry is set to take effect next fall."
First of all, the UT Faculty Council is NOT administrators of UT. Secondly, the administration has posted on the web a clear explanation of their approach to the new law.
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https://campuscarry.utexas.edu/>
Finally, neither the faculty nor the administration can opt out of the law. Only private universities have that option. The law is quite clear. The university administrators will provide the Regents with their policy and the Regents will either accept the policy or reject it.
Furthermore, the faculty's demand that they be individually allowed to opt out is laughable. There is no provision for that in the law, and it would be a clear violation of the intent of the legislature.
If your reporter can't do a better job than this you should consider reassigning him to something he can do better.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:50 pm
by JALLEN
Glockster wrote:
Yup, have placed hands on that marker! As someone new(er) to TX, there are quite a few really interesting things to see and places to go. I enjoyed my time there, and touring the Texas and hope to get back there again.

If you are in Houston, it's an easy drive, if there is still such a thing in Houston,
The Monument is fascinating. I have tried to picture the events there, who was where, the distances, the scenery, the movements of forces, etc.
I think the reason my granddad went out there so often was a restaurant that was nearby, with the greatest seafood. He loved oysters and any excuse was good enough. I'm told the restaurant isn't there any more either.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:55 pm
by Glockster
JALLEN wrote:Glockster wrote:
Yup, have placed hands on that marker! As someone new(er) to TX, there are quite a few really interesting things to see and places to go. I enjoyed my time there, and touring the Texas and hope to get back there again.

If you are in Houston, it's an easy drive, if there is still such a thing in Houston,
The Monument is fascinating. I have tried to picture the events there, who was where, the distances, the scenery, the movements of forces, etc.
I think the reason my granddad went out there so often was a restaurant that was nearby, with the greatest seafood. He loved oysters and any excuse was good enough. I'm told the restaurant isn't there any more either.
If it's the one that I think you're referring to, it was there as of about a year ago -- right at the end by the ferry loading if I recall. They had some killer all you can eat shrimp platters!
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:34 pm
by TexasCajun
The Monument Inn is still there and still has great seafood. Other great food if you're like my wife & not partial to seafood.
Re: "UT opts out of campus carry" - this has to be a media typo, right?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:38 pm
by TXBO
Glockster wrote:JALLEN wrote:Glockster wrote:
Yup, have placed hands on that marker! As someone new(er) to TX, there are quite a few really interesting things to see and places to go. I enjoyed my time there, and touring the Texas and hope to get back there again.

If you are in Houston, it's an easy drive, if there is still such a thing in Houston,
The Monument is fascinating. I have tried to picture the events there, who was where, the distances, the scenery, the movements of forces, etc.
I think the reason my granddad went out there so often was a restaurant that was nearby, with the greatest seafood. He loved oysters and any excuse was good enough. I'm told the restaurant isn't there any more either.
If it's the one that I think you're referring to, it was there as of about a year ago -- right at the end by the ferry loading if I recall. They had some killer all you can eat shrimp platters!
The Monument Inn. If that is one and the same it is still there.