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True True Scott. Went back and re-read 273. Thanks.

locke_n_load wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:

twomillenium wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:The funny thing is that I don't think schools can post 30.06 signs after SB273.
School premises are already barred from carry, either licensed or not, per 46.03.a.1.
The school is owned by a city, therefore it cannot post 30.06 right?
I know it's a moot point but it's somewhat funny.

It may be true is some areas, but as far as I know very few schools are owned by a city except in very small school districts.

ISD's paid for by taxpayer dollars are "public" property. I think that's what l-n-l was aiming for.?

Correct. Owned by some subdistrict of the state, thereore 30.06 cannot be posted (not a hospital, church, or amusement park).

It's ok to post 30.06 on any location that is off limits by statute.
Schools are off limits, so it's ok for them to post 30.06, although I think it's a bad idea.

Pandering to "concerned parents"? How about "reminding evil doers"?

Rmartinez37 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

30.06 sign = no concealed handguns on premises by license holders, or pretty much no guns.

30.07 sign = no open carry by license holders, pretty much, you can carry but concealed.

Why put up both, doesn't the 30.06 sign make posting the 30.07 sign pointless because with a .07 sign, you have to keep it concealed, and the .06 sign says concealed weapons are not allowed.

Both signs of course don't apply to active LE, or armored car guys, from what I've seen and heard. They can still OC, but that's very understandable.

I understand schools putting up signs for those who are not familiraized with the law, but the 30.07 seems pointless in the presence of a 30.06.

WHere does it say that?

Section 46.03 says:
PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense
if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a
firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds
or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution
is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public
or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the

Section 46.15 does not exempt armored guard from 46.03...it only exempts them from 46.02. Is there another section of the law that allows them to carry over 46.03?

Presumably the Armored Car Service has a written contract(authorization) with the school to provide for the money collection....


46.03
...
unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the
institution;
...

ScottDLS wrote:Presumably the Armored Car Service has a written contract(authorization) with the school to provide for the money collection....


46.03
...
unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the
institution;
...

This


Also, if you look up the parking lot law you will see that school districts are also exempt from that too. So if you are an employee they can forbid you to have a firearm locked in your personal vehicle while on school property.

nightmare69 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Presumably the Armored Car Service has a written contract(authorization) with the school to provide for the money collection....


46.03
...
unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the
institution;
...

This


Also, if you look up the parking lot law you will see that school districts are also exempt from that too. So if you are an employee they can forbid you to have a firearm locked in your personal vehicle while on school property.

Link to law: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0

#2 NOTE – EXCEPTION FOR GUNS IN VEHICLES (this exception remains in place with respect to new law taking effect in 2016/2017)

On June 14, 2013, Governor Perry signed into law SB 1907, which states that an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education may not adopt or enforce any rule, regulation, or other provision or take any other action, including posting notice under Section 30.06, Penal Code, prohibiting or placing restrictions on the storage or transportation of a firearm or ammunition in a locked, privately owned or leased motor vehicle by a person, including a student enrolled at that institution, who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun and lawfully possesses the firearm or ammunition:

(1) on a street or driveway located on the campus of the institution; or

(2) in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area located on the campus of the institution.

The Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

Bit confused.

HIGHER EDUCATION i.e. College or University, not Primary or Secondary school parking lot. However, ISD's may not post their PARKING LOTS with 30.06, only PREMISES> However, they can prevent their employees from carrying there by policy, though it's not a crime, one could be fired.

WTR wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Presumably the Armored Car Service has a written contract(authorization) with the school to provide for the money collection....


46.03
...
unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the
institution;
...

This


Also, if you look up the parking lot law you will see that school districts are also exempt from that too. So if you are an employee they can forbid you to have a firearm locked in your personal vehicle while on school property.

Link to law: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0

#2 NOTE – EXCEPTION FOR GUNS IN VEHICLES (this exception remains in place with respect to new law taking effect in 2016/2017)

On June 14, 2013, Governor Perry signed into law SB 1907, which states that an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education may not adopt or enforce any rule, regulation, or other provision or take any other action, including posting notice under Section 30.06, Penal Code, prohibiting or placing restrictions on the storage or transportation of a firearm or ammunition in a locked, privately owned or leased motor vehicle by a person, including a student enrolled at that institution, who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun and lawfully possesses the firearm or ammunition:

(1) on a street or driveway located on the campus of the institution; or

(2) in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area located on the campus of the institution.

The Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

Bit confused.

Link to parking lot law.

https://www.littler.com/guns-vehicles-c ... owed-texas

SB 321 also does not apply to employee storage of firearms in their vehicles in parking lots of school districts, open-enrollment charter schools, or private schools. SB 321 does not apply to property owned or controlled by a person, other than the employer, subject to a valid, unexpired oil, gas, or mineral lease, as long as the lease contains a provision prohibiting possession of firearms on the property.

Finally, SB 321 does not apply to chemical manufacturers or oil and gas refiners4 where the primary business is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of hazardous, combustible, or explosive materials. Even this exception contains an exception. An employee who holds a CHL may store a firearm or ammunition in a privately owned vehicle at a chemical plant or oil and gas refinery as long as the car is in a parking lot outside of the restricted area of the plant, and as long as the plant is not open to the public and entry to the plant is monitored by security personnel.

The question would be which HB is more current......yes.......321 or 1907.

WTR wrote:The question would be which HB is more current......yes.......321 or 1907.

1907 still doesn't apply to ISD schools, only HIGHER EDUCATION.

http://www.txhighereddata.org/Interacti ... utions.cfm

Thanks

sbrawley wrote:

Rmartinez37 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

30.06 sign = no concealed handguns on premises by license holders, or pretty much no guns.

30.07 sign = no open carry by license holders, pretty much, you can carry but concealed.

Why put up both, doesn't the 30.06 sign make posting the 30.07 sign pointless because with a .07 sign, you have to keep it concealed, and the .06 sign says concealed weapons are not allowed.

Both signs of course don't apply to active LE, or armored car guys, from what I've seen and heard. They can still OC, but that's very understandable.

I understand schools putting up signs for those who are not familiraized with the law, but the 30.07 seems pointless in the presence of a 30.06.

The way I see it, if an establishment posts an 06 but not an 07 then I'll take that as they want to see what I'm carrying to strike up a conversation. But that's just my take on it.

I guarantee you that if a business is 30.06 posted and you walk in OCing, they will ask you to leave and post up 30.07 ASAP.

Rmartinez37 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

30.06 sign = no concealed handguns on premises by license holders, or pretty much no guns.

30.07 sign = no open carry by license holders, pretty much, you can carry but concealed.

Why put up both, doesn't the 30.06 sign make posting the 30.07 sign pointless because with a .07 sign, you have to keep it concealed, and the .06 sign says concealed weapons are not allowed.

Both signs of course don't apply to active LE, or armored car guys, from what I've seen and heard. They can still OC, but that's very understandable.

I understand schools putting up signs for those who are not familiraized with the law, but the 30.07 seems pointless in the presence of a 30.06.

A 30.06 prohibits concealed carry, not open carry. A 30.07 prohibits open carry, not concealed. If they wish to prohibit both, they must post both signs. HB910. However, I am not sure why a school would post, but like others said....possibly just a reminder.