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Being blunt, I view Lori Haas's situation as this:

If a drunk driver kills your daughter in an automobile wreck, you become a zealot to ban driving drunk. You join or lead MADD.

If someone shoots your daughter in a random act of violence, you become a zealot to ban guns.

In the former, no one ever speaks up to ban the tool because they all, every one, use it every day. So it can't possibly be the tool's fault. It's the drunk driver. We need to get drunk drivers off the road.

In the latter...ooh, it's a scary thing we know nothing about. The tool itself must be--is no doubt--at fault.

The average SUV weighs about 5,000 pounds, and on the Beltway in Houston is going 65 to 75 ...or with some idiots, 85.

Heck, on neighbor surface streets like 529 they typically hit 70+ in 45-mph zones.

And Liberals think guns are scary.

Since statistics were gathered in 1950, never once have firearm deaths per year even come close to deaths by automobile.

Your Second Amendment at work.

Just sayin'...

baldeagle wrote:We need people to attend these meetings and speak out, intelligently and reasonably. The first thing they need to understand is they are not going to get LTC information. That is against the law. They also need to be educated on what the laws are and what the record of LTC holders is over the past 20 years.

If they are serious about improving mental health reporting, all well and good, but people's rights must be respected as well.

I agree with you, but sadly the law can change.

I lived somewhere where the information was held by circuit courts and access could be gained, and it was then released. Then the law changed to prohibit any release. Then after a change in leadership (to a party more friendly to their cause) they worked on getting the law changed again to allow release. Fortunately that didn't gain traction. One reason was that there were a couple of instances where after that information was published in the local paper, houses were then burglarized. I can see this one coming, as to some people, being "outed" for having a CHL might mean that they choose to not have one. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see this push coming, and probably driven by someone like Bloomberg.

Skiprr wrote:Being blunt, I view Lori Haas's situation as this:

If a drunk driver kills your daughter in an automobile wreck, you become a zealot to ban driving drunk. You join or lead MADD.

If someone shoots your daughter in a random act of violence, you become a zealot to ban guns.

In the former, no one ever speaks up to ban the tool because they all, every one, use it every day. So it can't possibly be the tool's fault. It's the drunk driver. We need to get drunk drivers off the road.

In the latter...ooh, it's a scary thing we know nothing about. The tool itself must be--is no doubt--at fault.

The average SUV weighs about 5,000 pounds, and on the Beltway in Houston is going 65 to 75 ...or with some idiots, 85.

Heck, on neighbor surface streets like 529 they typically hit 70+ in 45-mph zones.

And Liberals think guns are scary.

Since statistics were gathered in 1950, never once have firearm deaths per year even come close to deaths by automobile.

Your Second Amendment at work.

Just sayin'...

And well put at that.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

I don't think they are supposed to randomly run DL numbers without a justifiable reason. Just to see if someone has a CHL is probably not sufficient justification. To me, that's akin to someone running a credit report on someone without justification or consent.

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

I don't think they are supposed to randomly run DL numbers without a justifiable reason. Just to see if someone has a CHL is probably not sufficient justification. To me, that's akin to someone running a credit report on someone without justification or consent.

Silly me. After all, we have so much evidence that the other side always follows the rules.

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

Hopefully university policy, such as what A&M says they will (not) do (https://www.tamu.edu/statements/campus-carry.html ):

28. Will the university track handgun license holders on campus?
No.

SewTexas wrote:they also need to understand that we don't like "gun violence". Let's face it, we don't like violence, no one does.

Respectfully, I may disagree with your premise. If by "like" you mean "enjoy" rather than "appreciate" and if by "violence" you mean "unnecessary acts of violence perpetrated on one person by another", then, yes we agree.

I have another perspective. Violence is a tool, just as a gun is a tool. Violence is not evil in and of itself just as a gun is not evil in and of itself.

George Orwell, referring to pacifism, wrote "Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf." I have been one of the "uniforms that guard you while you sleep" that Rudyard Kipling describes in "Tommy." I appreciate the disciplined, controlled violence of our military and police. (http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/11/07/rough-men/)

There is a beauty in the violence of nature; distant lightning, an erupting volcano, white water rapids. I appreciate these from a distance.

I appreciate the beauty of the controlled violence of a trained horse. I appreciate the directed violence of chemical explosives that help construct dams and the channeled violence of rushing water that powers electric generators.

We, as a nation, prefer the structured violence of football to the more sedate action of soccer. Violent movies are often the most profitable.

Controlled, disciplined violence is most often the best response when innocents are attacked. While we do live in a violent world, we should, as much as it depends on us, strive to be at peace with all. Violence may not be the first response, but it must remain part of the tool-set. At least some of us must be prepared to respond violently, when appropriate, knowing we will be mocked for being so prepared and possibly even for acting.

Pawpaw wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

I don't think they are supposed to randomly run DL numbers without a justifiable reason. Just to see if someone has a CHL is probably not sufficient justification. To me, that's akin to someone running a credit report on someone without justification or consent.

Silly me. After all, we have so much evidence that the other side always follows the rules.

What a sarcastic remark. Where did I imply they always follow the rules? If you know of them breaking the law, report them. You asked what is to stop them and I replied to that question.

If you want to play that game, what is to stop anyone from breaking any law?

I want to INCREASE gun violence (AGAINST THE BAD GUYS!)


And of course against zombies....

oljames3 wrote: I have another perspective. Violence is a tool, just as a gun is a tool. Violence is not evil in and of itself just as a gun is not evil in and of itself.

George Orwell, referring to pacifism, wrote "Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf." I have been one of the "uniforms that guard you while you sleep" that Rudyard Kipling describes in "Tommy." I appreciate the disciplined, controlled violence of our military and police.

Absolutely.

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

I don't think they are supposed to randomly run DL numbers without a justifiable reason. Just to see if someone has a CHL is probably not sufficient justification. To me, that's akin to someone running a credit report on someone without justification or consent.

Silly me. After all, we have so much evidence that the other side always follows the rules.

What a sarcastic remark. Where did I imply they always follow the rules? If you know of them breaking the law, report them. You asked what is to stop them and I replied to that question.

If you want to play that game, what is to stop anyone from breaking any law?

Sorry mojo. My sarcasm wasn't directed at you personally, but at the other side. The concept that "they're not supposed to" holds not one drop of water from the current White House occupant all the way down the chain. They have made violating the rules, laws, and even the constitution into a daily exercise.

I don't know that doing what I suggested is breaking any law. If it is, I would be really interested in finding out what the penalty is. I sincerely hope it is a severe one.

ScottDLS wrote:I want to INCREASE gun violence (AGAINST THE BAD GUYS!)


And of course against zombies....

always against zombies

Pawpaw wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:CHL information is confidential by statute and cannot be provided to any schools.

Chas.

Does that include university police departments?

Criminal justice agencies can get the information if it's part of a criminal investigation. Campus PD can't get it just to see which students have a CHL.

Chas.

Campus PDs have the same tools as any other LE organization in Texas. What is to stop them from running a DL check on each of their students (which would reveal if one had a CHL) and creating their own database?

I don't think they are supposed to randomly run DL numbers without a justifiable reason. Just to see if someone has a CHL is probably not sufficient justification. To me, that's akin to someone running a credit report on someone without justification or consent.

Silly me. After all, we have so much evidence that the other side always follows the rules.

What a sarcastic remark. Where did I imply they always follow the rules? If you know of them breaking the law, report them. You asked what is to stop them and I replied to that question.

If you want to play that game, what is to stop anyone from breaking any law?

Sorry mojo. My sarcasm wasn't directed at you personally, but at the other side. The concept that "they're not supposed to" holds not one drop of water from the current White House occupant all the way down the chain. They have made violating the rules, laws, and even the constitution into a daily exercise.

I don't know that doing what I suggested is breaking any law. If it is, I would be really interested in finding out what the penalty is. I sincerely hope it is a severe one.

Ok. Guess I was in a bad frame of mind. I took it as a shot across the bow. I do agree about the tyrannical attitudes of the progressives.

I don't know what the penalty is. I do know that are not supposed to arbitrarily running DL's. Maybe one of our legal experts can shed some light.

What if it is a question on an application and if you lie you are expelled.