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I'd love to do that, sounds fascinating.Scott B. wrote:Thanks for the 9.31 and 9.32 info.
I was fortunate to take a "how close is too close" class last week. Very eye opening.
I owe you an apology and I do apologize. I re-read my post and my comment really comes across snotty and that was not my intent. I guess my zeal on this topic got the better of me. I stress it in several of my classes, especially with the women students. They seem to believe they cannot engage until the threat is literally close enough to make contact with an edged weapon or an impact weapon.Ruark wrote:Well, I'd love to crack my knuckles and jump into this discussion, but I'm at a disadvantage because I've never run the Tueller Drill or anything similar. That being said, my armchair-quarterback comments:
Of course there are variables, the biggest one being "knowing that it's coming." That pertains to situational awareness, of course. If you're looking down at your smartphone and a casual passer-by suddenly leaps at you from 21 feet, sure, you're probably a goner.
But if, as in the baseball bat scenario, he's already threatening you and is walking towards you, and you ALREADY have your hand on your gun, he's not going to make it to you alive, unless he's within 8-10 feet or you're slower than cold molasses. Arms relaxed, with the gun under a tropical shirt, I can easily draw and fire two shots into a sheet of typing paper @ 10 feet in about 1.25 seconds, and I don't consider myself to be "fast." If my hand is actually resting on the gun, .75 seconds or less. If somebody's walking towards me with a knife and informing me of my imminent demise, I'm not going to be standing there like a fencepost. I'll have my hand on the gun, and when he passes about the 10 foot mark, it'll be out and pointed at him. I'm sorry, but I can't see him covering 10 feet faster than I can twitch my trigger finger.
Yeah, that zeal's a bear, ain't it?Charles L. Cotton wrote: I guess my zeal on this topic got the better of me. I stress it in several of my classes, especially with the women students. They seem to believe they cannot engage until the threat is literally close enough to make contact with an edged weapon or an impact weapon.
Chas.
You might well be able to do what you claim, but would you bet your life on it? According to the Force Science Institute, time to fire a single round when your gun is drawn and on the target and your trigger finger is on the slide is 0.54 seconds. http://www.forcescience.org/tablet/inte ... ock=tabletRuark wrote:Well, I'd love to crack my knuckles and jump into this discussion, but I'm at a disadvantage because I've never run the Tueller Drill or anything similar. That being said, my armchair-quarterback comments:
Of course there are variables, the biggest one being "knowing that it's coming." That pertains to situational awareness, of course. If you're looking down at your smartphone and a casual passer-by suddenly leaps at you from 21 feet, sure, you're probably a goner.
But if, as in the baseball bat scenario, he's already threatening you and is walking towards you, and you ALREADY have your hand on your gun, he's not going to make it to you alive, unless he's within 8-10 feet or you're slower than cold molasses. Arms relaxed, with the gun under a tropical shirt, I can easily draw and fire two shots into a sheet of typing paper @ 10 feet in about 1.25 seconds, and I don't consider myself to be "fast." If my hand is actually resting on the gun, .75 seconds or less. If somebody's walking towards me with a knife and informing me of my imminent demise, I'm not going to be standing there like a fencepost. I'll have my hand on the gun, and when he passes about the 10 foot mark, it'll be out and pointed at him. I'm sorry, but I can't see him covering 10 feet faster than I can twitch my trigger finger.
The class doesn't come up that often, but if you're within a driving distance of Conroe, I could shoot you a note when I see it on the calendar.Ruark wrote:I'd love to do that, sounds fascinating.Scott B. wrote:Thanks for the 9.31 and 9.32 info.
I was fortunate to take a "how close is too close" class last week. Very eye opening.