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rentz wrote:

Scott in Houston wrote:

rentz wrote:so a university that allegedly helped cover up sexual assaults by a football player isnt allowing students to carry to defend themselves?
hmmmm

Get that crap out of here…
Seriously… just wrong. Are you a big fan of the Dallas Morning News? Those are the people pushing that line.

There's no cover-up. Could have been handled better? Maybe. No cover up.

BTW, you can't win… see "Duke Lacross" or this recent one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... ?tid=sm_fb

i wasnt being 100% serious.
it's also not limited to baylor or duke, FSU just paid out a bunch of money to an accuser of winston.
based on your RG3 avatar i can only assume you are an unbiased baylor fan?


And you are correct it was a mishandling of the situation not a cover up I chose the words poorly for my statement that was meant in jest

I was just having fun and a bit tongue in cheek. Yes, I'm biased.

anygunanywhere wrote:Do they accept any state or federal funding, grants, or subsidies? Do they push student loans?

If they do then they should not be able to opt out. Accepting any government assistance of any kind make them public not private.

Incorrect. The definition in Texas of a private institution is "third grade" clear and does not depend on the institution's status in receiving any government funding.

As if the "private nature" of the institution has anything to do with that statute which includes both public and private institutions.

thetexan wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Do they accept any state or federal funding, grants, or subsidies? Do they push student loans?

If they do then they should not be able to opt out. Accepting any government assistance of any kind make them public not private.

Incorrect. The definition in Texas of a private institution is "third grade" clear and does not depend on the institution's status in receiving any government funding.

As if the "private nature" of the institution has anything to do with that statute which includes both public and private institutions.

If government makes the definition the government is controlling the conversation.

Is there any "private" university that is not going to opt out? I haven't kept up with it that closely so I don't know.

Excaliber wrote:In former times folks at institutions of higher learning would have considered it obvious that vulnerability is not a defense.

Nowadays folks go deep into debt to be brainwashed into beliefs that have consistently led to ruin throughout history.

Go figure.

Perfect example of my signature

JayStation3 wrote:

Excaliber wrote:In former times folks at institutions of higher learning would have considered it obvious that vulnerability is not a defense.

Nowadays folks go deep into debt to be brainwashed into beliefs that have consistently led to ruin throughout history.

Go figure.

Perfect example of my signature

Just a couple of nights ago, my wife and I had dinner with our new neighbors.....they're transplants from Switzerland....and they were very surprised to learn (from me) that Westpoint, Annapolis, and the Air Force Academy provide world class educations and are among the finest institutions of learning in the country. It seemed strange to them that warriors would be scholars, but in my experience, the graduates of those academies that I've met have been some of the most broadly educated people I've ever met. It told them that when men's very lives and national defense are at stake, we cannot afford to have military leadership with parochial worldviews and a poor understanding of history and man's place in the world.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

JayStation3 wrote:

Excaliber wrote:In former times folks at institutions of higher learning would have considered it obvious that vulnerability is not a defense.

Nowadays folks go deep into debt to be brainwashed into beliefs that have consistently led to ruin throughout history.

Go figure.

Perfect example of my signature

Just a couple of nights ago, my wife and I had dinner with our new neighbors.....they're transplants from Switzerland....and they were very surprised to learn (from me) that Westpoint, Annapolis, and the Air Force Academy provide world class educations and are among the finest institutions of learning in the country. It seemed strange to them that warriors would be scholars, but in my experience, the graduates of those academies that I've met have been some of the most broadly educated people I've ever met. It told them that when men's very lives and national defense are at stake, we cannot afford to have military leadership with parochial worldviews and a poor understanding of history and man's place in the world.

Some of the best leaders I have worked with are graduates of the military academies.

At least they will hire extra counsellors for the girls that aren't sexually assaulted. Let's see, they will provide counselling for after the fact but not allow young women to protect themselves and maybe stop the worst crime to a woman you could commit without killing her. I know the area has been upgraded in recent years but the area around the campus is not the nicest part of town.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2016 ... ault.html/

I'm sorry but Baylor only cares about money. They use religion when it benefits the institution but when it's time to rake in the football money on a Sunday...

Another thing that puzzles me. How are they private institution but have a police force? How does that happen? Can I get my own police force? If I get arrested at Baylor do I go to real jail or Baylor jail? Just another way to hide actual crime statistics on campus is my guess. You can't tell me that the Waco PD can't patrol the campus or do a better job.

I need the sarcasm color.

jason812 wrote:Another thing that puzzles me. How are they private institution but have a police force? How does that happen? Can I get my own police force? If I get arrested at Baylor do I go to real jail or Baylor jail? Just another way to hide actual crime statistics on campus is my guess. You can't tell me that the Waco PD can't patrol the campus or do a better job.

I need the sarcasm color.

jason812 wrote: I'm sorry but Baylor only cares about money. They use religion when it benefits the institution but when it's time to rake in the football money on a Sunday...

You sound like a bitter aggie or longhorn.

School Districts in Texas have police forces… as do private high schools. It's not a big leap for universities. TCU, Baylor, and even smaller schools have them. Is that a bad thing?

Thanks for posting the Dallas news article. You proved my point that I was half-joking about above.

It sickens me that Baylor is following the typical liberal view regarding your right to protect yourself, but relative to all other major schools in Texas, it's still by far the most conservative. The sad thing… even being that, they're still not allowing us to carry.

Just for the record: I do not care what Baylor or UT or TAM or any of the other centers of higher learning or religion do - one way or another. The only hunt my dog is in, is my and Mrs. Oldgringo's hunt.

Caveat Emptor, y'all.

Scott in Houston wrote:
You sound like a bitter aggie or longhorn.

School Districts in Texas have police forces… as do private high schools. It's not a big leap for universities. TCU, Baylor, and even smaller schools have them. Is that a bad thing?

Thanks for posting the Dallas news article. You proved my point that I was half-joking about above.

It sickens me that Baylor is following the typical liberal view regarding your right to protect yourself, but relative to all other major schools in Texas, it's still by far the most conservative. The sad thing… even being that, they're still not allowing us to carry.

I'm not a bitter anything. I watch some bowl games but I don't care about what any school does athletically. Having lived in a 40 mile radius of Waco my entire life, nobody cared about Baylor until they started winning football games. There is a hypocrisy about what Baylor says and what it turns a blind eye to with the athletic program. Think Brittney Griner. I wouldn't have problem with it if they would quit trying to present themselves as any different from other universities. As much as I dislike UT, at least you know what to expect from them. The one thing about Baylor that is a plus is at least I'm not paying for the quarterback to get a top of the line education when he can't even spell his own name (Vince Young comes to mind).

Baylor provides a good education and that has been known for a long time. I would not care if my kids went there and if I could afford it, probably prefer it over a public university. I just have a problem with preaching to everybody about morals and then when it comes to money, the morals get pushed aside.

I still don't see how a private institution can have a police force. Whether it's Baylor or TCU or any other private institution. That comment was kind of serious, kind of a joke. Seems easier for the police of a private institution to have an agenda than the police force in the municipality the university is located.

And yes, I find it sad that as conservative as Baylor and TCU are, they do follow the typical higher eductation attitudes towards concealed carry.

anygunanywhere wrote:Do they accept any state or federal funding, grants, or subsidies? Do they push student loans?

If they do then they should not be able to opt out. Accepting any government assistance of any kind make them public not private.

That's not what is happening at all.

A student applies for financial aid. The government awards an amount to the student and the student then chooses which college to spend that money at. Baylor is a private institution. Just because a student uses federal money to pay the bill doesn't make it public. The student received the money from the government--not Baylor. Baylor received the money from the student.

I'm a Baylor alumnus. I don't like the decision, but a private entity has a right to set its own rules. A citizen has the right to comply or do business elsewhere.

Bruin98 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Do they accept any state or federal funding, grants, or subsidies? Do they push student loans?

If they do then they should not be able to opt out. Accepting any government assistance of any kind make them public not private.

That's not what is happening at all.

A student applies for financial aid. The government awards an amount to the student and the student then chooses which college to spend that money at. Baylor is a private institution. Just because a student uses federal money to pay the bill doesn't make it public. The student received the money from the government--not Baylor. Baylor received the money from the student.

I'm a Baylor alumnus. I don't like the decision, but a private entity has a right to set its own rules. A citizen has the right to comply or do business elsewhere.

Well we will just have to disagree. One of these days the government teat will dry up for all anyway then we will see the true reality show. The way the global markets are rocking it might be very soon too.

Wow, way to hijack the thread guys.

First off, Baylor did not announce last fall. The official decision was not made until the Regents approved it last week.

Regardless of what anyone says (TAM), applying for a federal contract to do research, or design a product , or provide a service means you are working to deliver a product or service, you are not receiving funding to operate your institution, like public universities do.

Can we get this back to a discussion of campus carry?