Metal Detectors

[stevie_d_64]

Just get a Glock 7. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It dosen't show up on your X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make in a month.

You'd be surprised what I make in a month.

AT LAST!! SOMEONE GETS IT!

You know...I got a DVD of this movie somewhere...(european version) And I could have sworn he said "Glock 9" (I used to scratch my head on that one when I saw it)...Heck maybe he did say "7"...I don't rightly recall completely...

I think its all a hollywood flub by the script writers...Most of the time the general public is a bit more sharp than those folks...We catch stuff like that and chuckle...

[Hoppes]

Does the presence of a detector alone make it "off limits"?

No, but if they tell you to turn around and leave, you are obligated to do so. Operators of private events can refuse admittance for all sorts of things like not wearing a shirt or having "gang insignia."

People can argue ad infinitum about publicly owned venues, but you're not going to win this one on the ground.

- Jim

Another incident was argued in Seguin at the KingRanger Theatre. For some reason, this small town theatre has had its share of folks trying to do things the management doesn't allow.

For instance, a few ladies were openly breast-feeding infants not long ago, and the theatre management asked them to stop or stop and leave. The grandmother pulled a card out of her purse quoting a "Texas Law" that allows mothers to breast feed in public. She was excited and threatened some type of legal recourse.

I read this story in the Seguin Gazette and contacted the theatre management. I commented to them that I believe the law does not apply to privately owned businesses and that the texas breast-feeding law was meant to protect breast-feeding mothers on public property. I suppose the only question would be, what, when, and where is public property?

The breast-feeding women got really arrogant with King Ranger Theatre, posted news articles in the Seguin Gazette, and threatened a protest but the theatre ownership won this one because it is private property. King Ranger told them, If you come onto our property, you must buy a theatre ticket. The women were too cheap to do that. They also knew that they were going to be escorted off the property by the police department.

This is just another example supporting what you are saying Jim. When management of private property asks someone to leave, it is a good idea although it might sometimes be a bad management decision.

I could not help but write the Editor of the Seguin Gazette and side with the King Ranger Theatre on the basis that it is private property, not public property.

Hoppes

[seamusTX]

I never paid attention to the issue of breast feeding in public.

Health & Safety Code § 165.002. RIGHT TO BREAST-FEED. A mother is entitled to breast-feed her baby in any location in which the mother is authorized to be.

That's one for the lawyers.

In general, if the owner or operator of private property tells you to leave, you must leave.

If they told you to leave for an illegal reason, such as your race, religion, sex, or national origin, you can possibly sue them.

There are acres of gray area. For example, a man is not going to force his way into a Curves fitness center (women only), and churches can bar people who are not adherents to their religion.

(I couldn't care less whether mothers breast-feed in public, but people who bring babies to movies are one of the many reasons I don't go to movies.)

- Jim

[Hoppes]

I never paid attention to the issue of breast feeding in public.

Health & Safety Code § 165.002. RIGHT TO BREAST-FEED. A mother is entitled to breast-feed her baby in any location in which the mother is authorized to be.

That's one for the lawyers.

In general, if the owner or operator of private property tells you to leave, you must leave.

If they told you to leave for an illegal reason, such as your race, religion, sex, or national origin, you can possibly sue them.

There are acres of gray area. For example, a man is not going to force his way into a Curves fitness center (women only), and churches can bar people who are not adherents to their religion.

(I couldn't care less whether mothers breast-feed in public, but people who bring babies to movies are one of the many reasons I don't go to movies.)

- Jim

Jim, I don't object to breast feeding. In fact, I think that breast milk has nutrients that keep a baby healthy and provides support to help the baby build an immunity to some diseases and illnesses.

My staunch opposition to the group at the King Ranger Theatre was the spirit of arrogance exhibited by the group. They wanted to make a federal issue out of an isolated incident. There are so many opinions on this subject pro and con.

I totally agree, there are many gray areas in regards to the Texas law and by no means are gray areas limited to Texas law. There are problems with this issue in several states. As far as Texas goes, It sure leaves a question in my mind and many - "Who decides where a breast-feeding mother is authorized to be?" Would that be the property owner, special interest, or state?

Hoppes

[Venus Pax]

As a movie-goer, I have to agree with Jim: crying babies really detract from the movie.
It does seem a little odd to ask the mothers not to breastfeed, as a baby that's eating isn't usually screaming.


Hoppes, I do agree with you--it's a gray area. How is it decided so that the business owner's rights and mother's right's are both honored?

On a personal level, I remember this being a problem for my cousin several years ago when she was breastfeeding. The group of us liked spending a day at the mall occasionally, and the baby had to eat. She wasn't comfortable breastfeeding in the middle of the mall, but most stores wouldn't allow her to feed the baby in the dressing rooms, even if the rest of us were in there trying on clothes.
And going to the RR to do it seemed so unsanitary.

I imagine it's still difficult, but atleast the bigger stores (Macy's, for example) now have sitting areas attached to restrooms.

[HankB]

As far as metal detectors go . . . it's been a while since I've been to the State Capitol, but I understand that since then, they've installed metal detectors.

So . . . how does that affect CHLers, particularly if you're going there as a tourist while the legislature is not in session? Anyone with first-hand experience of what happens?

[Hoppes]

As a movie-goer, I have to agree with Jim: crying babies really detract from the movie. It does seem a little odd to ask the mothers not to breastfeed, as a baby that's eating isn't usually screaming.


Hoppes, I do agree with you--it's a gray area. How is it decided so that the business owner's rights and mother's right's are both honored?

The breast feeding mom in question was in the theatre's main lobby and everyone entering or exiting got a close-up view of the breast feeding. Someone complained so theatre management decided how to respond and asked her to leave.

It is the right of a business to become a "breast feeding friendly" business. But that opens up more liability risk for the business and requires it to perform some additional mandated actions in regards to breast-feeding places, etc.

We go to movies regularly, but we rarely go to the King Ranger in Seguin because of crowding and more disturbances than say the Live Oak Theatre near Randolph Brooks Air Base in Universal City. We've never had troubles there with crying babies but I am sure someone might have experienced some there too. But I am in agreement in regards to the King Ranger. They always have police officers at night and on the weekends inside the theatre and they make rounds through each theatre.

When I go there, it is usually when I have an afternoon off and I go when it is quiet and not busy. I don't mind breast feeding. I just think that people should be conservative about doing it. What is wrong with using a towel so that the whole world doesn't have to see? Those ladies stirred up a lot of controversy in that one incident and threatened legal action and public protests. I am convinced that they focused more energy on their arrogance to theatre management than the right to breast feed.

There is no question that a lady can breast feed where she is authorized to be in Texas, but I hope that breast-feeding moms will do it modestly. The only reason I referred to the subject of breast-feeding was because illustrates that people generally have to leave a private property if asked by the management to do so.

[pbandjelly]

Public restrooms unsanitary? nooooooooooo.
that's why they invented sani-wipes.

Gawd forbid someone just say to the lady, "Hey Scheppe's, mind not working for tips in the theater lobby?"

My thing, if YOU'RE offended, maybe YOU should tell them. Instead, society cries to the teacher, and hopes they make the bad-person go away.
should never been the theater's problem.

[seamusTX]

My thing, if YOU'RE offended, maybe YOU should tell them. Instead, society cries to the teacher, and hopes they make the bad-person go away.

OK. This is not a minor point.

While you can say anything to anyone, you do not have authority to control another's behavior in a public place. The management does.

If, for example, someone is raising Cain in a theater or restaurant, the thing to do is tell the management. Intervening directly can provoke a confrontation.

- Jim

[Mage34]

I kind of feel the old "My house, my rules" rule should apply. If it is your business that you work hard at, then you have the right to say what does and doesn't go inside your building..... If someone came up and asked me to leave the movie theater just becouse I am me, I might be mad and never go back, but it is there place they get to say what does and doesn't go.

[pbandjelly]

While you can say anything to anyone, you do not have authority to control another's behavior in a public place. The management does.

If, for example, someone is raising Cain in a theater or restaurant, the thing to do is tell the management. Intervening directly can provoke a confrontation.

- Jim

Now, I will concur, that you do not have the authority to control another's behavior. I'm just saying that I wish people took a little more responsibility for things. I hate the "I'm gonna tell on you" mentallity.
that's all.
I also agree with you that provoking a "confrontation" is not usually a good idea. But sometimes you have to "deal with it."
not saying you go throw-down, be polite in your mannerism, but you are allowed to voice your opinion.