Pulled over again with CHL.....

[Venus Pax]

2FST4U




Dan

I worked with a school librarian that had a license plate that said "I BOOK".

[DaveT]

I dunno...

Bicycle patrol vs. automobile...

It just doesn't seem like a fair matchup...

Unless the notification to this patrolman set him off, I too, do not see a CHL relationship here...

I guess I just don't get into very many LEO encounters...

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this was MOTORCYCLE Officer vs. automobile ??

Did the officer in question have any comments or reaction to the CHL when it was presented ?

[pbandjelly]

I guess I just don't get into very many LEO encounters...

I do. people keep shootin' at meh!!

[HEMIzygote]

None of your red flags are. You have been listening to myths.

If you believe you were not speeding plead not guilty and present your case to the court.

What does this have to do with CHL discussion?

This has everything to do with a CHL, as one is required to show the CHL to an LEO when he asks for DL.

As for being pulled over so often, I'm now suspecting that Hemizygote drives a little red sports car with a personalized license plate that says something along the lines of 2FST4U.

Its not red, but yeah...it will catch some attention since I have yet to see another in Lubbock.

But there are no specialized plates......yet.

[HEMIzygote]

I dunno...

Bicycle patrol vs. automobile...

It just doesn't seem like a fair matchup...

Unless the notification to this patrolman set him off, I too, do not see a CHL relationship here...

I guess I just don't get into very many LEO encounters...

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this was MOTORCYCLE Officer vs. automobile ??

Did the officer in question have any comments or reaction to the CHL when it was presented ?

I handed him the DL and CHL as I dug for the insurance. His reaction to everything was no emotion, so I am not sure where everything went foul. He only asked which address was my local, the DL or CHL.

[Rex B]

I fought a ticket years ago where the LEO said he had cleared the reading.
Funny thing is, 10 minutes later he was able to show it to me.
Took it to court, eventually got it dismissed.

Last I heard, they were required to present you with the evidence if you know to ask. In this case, the evidence is the reading.

Now, all that mighta changed since then, as traffic courts and violations appear to be changing from criminal to civil actions. Maybe they are taking an end-run around the Bill of Rights by going the civil route.

Yeah, I know it's OT, but a lot of threads here wind up OT, even if they don't start that way.

[seamusTX]

Maybe they are taking an end-run around the Bill of Rights by going the civil route.

How do you mean?

The Bill of Rights requires "due process of law." It doesn't say exactly what due process should be in minor matters like traffic tickets.

You can demand a jury trial in all criminal cases and civil cases where the amount at issue is more than $20.

- Jim

[pbandjelly]

That thang gotta a Hemah?



one of these?

[HEMIzygote]

That thang gotta a Hemah?



one of these?

No...the HEMIzygote reference is to my truck that has a HEMI.

I have since gotten a Jag XKR.

[Rex B]

Maybe they are taking an end-run around the Bill of Rights by going the civil route.

How do you mean?

The Bill of Rights requires "due process of law." It doesn't say exactly what due process should be in minor matters like traffic tickets.

You can demand a jury trial in all criminal cases and civil cases where the amount at issue is more than $20.

- Jim

By that I mean they can collect the revenue with a lower standard of proof in a civil action.

[seamusTX]

By that I mean they can collect the revenue with a lower standard of proof in a civil action.

OK. I guess I don't have much heartburn about it. The way traffic tickets are now, your either pay the fine or pay a lawyer as much as the fine to get out of them.

I doubt the founders thought the average citizen would have so much contact with the police (which didn't exist as such at the time).

- Jim

[fadlan12]

I dunno...

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I handed him the DL and CHL as I dug for the insurance. His reaction to everything was no emotion, so I am not sure where everything went foul. He only asked which address was my local, the DL or CHL.

They are not the same? big no no. Hope the DPS does not try and send you somehting. My class gave the worst case scenario of DPS not hearing back from you within 30 days and revoking your CHL.

[CHL/LEO]

Last I heard, they were required to present you with the evidence if you know to ask. In this case, the evidence is the reading.

Urban Myth - their testimony is the evidence along with their training.

[HEMIzygote]

I dunno...

snip

I handed him the DL and CHL as I dug for the insurance. His reaction to everything was no emotion, so I am not sure where everything went foul. He only asked which address was my local, the DL or CHL.

They are not the same? big no no. Hope the DPS does not try and send you somehting. My class gave the worst case scenario of DPS not hearing back from you within 30 days and revoking your CHL.

I called and specify asked about the difference in addresses. It did not matter as long as I live at both. One is my permanent address (when I was a student) and the other is my new address. I will get the DL changed soon to the new address so all will be well.

[BrassMonkey]

No such thing as a speed "limit" in Texas :-D