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If someone's feelings are hurt because a transgender person is in their unit, that's their own problem. You can't take away someone's rights based on feelings, I thought that's what this whole forum was about. Rights for everyone, no matter their gender, identity, creed, race, or religion. So no, you should not keep someone from joining the armed forces just because you don't agree with how they identify themselves. Everyone should be treated equally and be given equal rights and protections.

So let me ask the question of 'me 1337'. Where is stated that serving in the military is a right.
That is the problem with the left, they have NO standards

ScottDLS wrote:
This kind of hits home to me. When I was a junior officer in the US Navy in the late 80's, I was sent from my destroyer on a handful of small boat operations in the Mediterranean and North Africa. None of them consisted of more than a few hours or 10-20 NM. I had no specific training for the tasks, though I had certainly received code of conduct and military law training in officer accession. We were armed with a total of one M-14 and a 20 round box magazine of 7.62. The selector was welded to semi...Now this was a utility boat from a '60s vintage destroyer. There was no navigation equipment other than a paper chart and a depth finder that looked like it came from Uncle Buck's bass boat...

So I "kind of" feel for the sailors...While they had modern riverine patrol boats w/ navigation and armaments, I wonder if they felt like they would be backed up by their commanders and this administration??? I'd like to think I would have been up to the task if the same thing had happened to me in '89. These sailors were poorly trained and led no doubt, but this article smells of butt covering by the higher ups.

An officer is expected to carry out orders to a successful completion, see to it that he has the resources to do so, including manpower, material, fuel, bullets, toilet paper, just like a CO is responsible for everything that affects the operation of his command. I don't think I was ever assigned to any task that I was properly, fully trained for, except maybe RPS custodian.

I still haven't heard what the actual situation was. Did they stray into Iranian waters? Navigation error? Low fuel? What were they supposed to do? What were their orders?

A Navy pilot who runs out of fuel, without some justification, gets the blame. Any sort of similar poor performance is his responsibility. What is nearly the first training statement you hear? "Proper prior planning prevents * poor performance."

If a ship collides with another, it's the CO's problem. If he allowed unqualified officers to direct the ship, that's his problem, and theirs for not performing. Remember when the USS Frank Evans was run down in night ops by the Australian carrier Melborne? The Captain was in the rack, and the two LTs on the bridge were unqualified. The ship turned to starboard rather than to port during night ops, was cut in two, part of it sank, killing 74.

Not many understand the concept of responsibility, it seems.

The Navy report can be read at www.news.usni.org, if you can read it.

JALLEN wrote:
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If a ship collides with another, it's the CO's problem. If he allowed unqualified officers to direct the ship, that's his problem, and theirs for not performing. Remember when the USS Frank Evans was run down in night ops by the Australian carrier Melborne? The Captain was in the rack, and the two LTs on the bridge were unqualified. The ship turned to starboard rather than to port during night ops, was cut in two, part of it sank, killing 74.

Not many understand the concept of responsibility, it seems.
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I remember the incident. The Navy made into a training film with very cheesy production (like all training films) and the tag line... "When ships collide at sea...dah...duh...dah...". Then we got to see it as midshipmen and in surface warfare (destroyer) school as ensigns.

Moral of the story for ship CO's...don't let your numbskull JO's have the con while you're asleep unless you want the blame when they crash...

Or as my XO said when I protested my lack of boat officer qulaifications... "Ens. ScottDLS, you're an officer, that's a boat...you're the BOAT OFFICER!!!, Now go sound the harbor before we run aground!"

ScottDLS wrote: Or as my XO said when I protested my lack of boat officer qulaifications... "Ens. ScottDLS, you're an officer, that's a boat...you're the BOAT OFFICER!!!, Now go sound the harbor before we run aground!"

Mark Twain!?

Dadtodabone wrote:

ScottDLS wrote: Or as my XO said when I protested my lack of boat officer qulaifications... "Ens. ScottDLS, you're an officer, that's a boat...you're the BOAT OFFICER!!!, Now go sound the harbor before we run aground!"

Mark Twain!?

Yeah, next I expected the XO to hand me a knotted rope... I actually had no earthly idea what, "sound the harbor" meant...but it seemed pretty official when the XO said it...The Bos'n Mate 2nd Class didn't know either, since he'd just been busted from a Master at Arms 1st Class for fighting...so I just started calling the depths out from the fish finder...

Apparently US Navy hadn't been into Bizerte, Tunisia since Operation Torch in 1942. So there I was with my surplus BassFinder in a 25 year old Navy motor whale boat... That's the closest to combat this sailor got...

ScottDLS wrote:

Dadtodabone wrote:

ScottDLS wrote: Or as my XO said when I protested my lack of boat officer qulaifications... "Ens. ScottDLS, you're an officer, that's a boat...you're the BOAT OFFICER!!!, Now go sound the harbor before we run aground!"

Mark Twain!?

Yeah, next I expected the XO to hand me a knotted rope... I actually had no earthly idea what, "sound the harbor" meant...but it seemed pretty official when the XO said it...The Bos'n Mate 2nd Class didn't know either, since he'd just been busted from a Master at Arms 1st Class for fighting...so I just started calling the depths out from the fish finder...

Apparently US Navy hadn't been into Bizerte, Tunisia since Operation Torch in 1942. So there I was with my surplus BassFinder in a 25 year old Navy motor whale boat... That's the closest to combat this sailor got...

What kind of middie were you?

NROTC scholarship...got a regular Navy commission too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU

This seemed as good a place as any to share this. Kitty Werthmann speaking 3 years ago. It's half an hour long, but well worth it. Skip to 28:45 if you want to hear about her experience with Nazi gun control. See if it sounds a little familiar.

No cause is ever truly lost, because no cause is ever truly won

mr1337 wrote:

thatguyoverthere wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials ... itics.html

Pentagon ends ban on transgender troops in military
Transgender people will be allowed to serve openly in the U.S. military, the Pentagon announced Thursday, ending one of the last bans on service in the armed forces.

Saying it's the right thing to do, Defense Secretary Ash Carter laid out a yearlong implementation plan declaring that "Americans who want to serve and can meet our standards should be afforded the opportunity to compete to do so."

Eh, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Men can serve, women can serve, why not someone who identifies as the opposite gender?

IF someone is willing to serve, I say let them. We let dogs serve....It's time we throw felons who want that letter off their chest too. Same for illegals.

"IF someone is willing to serve, I say let them"

Would you let just anyone stay at your house overnight I am sure you have Standards! Can any say the word Standards. What is this country coming to when no one can have Standards on anything anymore. That is what the OP is getting to here. When you remove all Standards it is time to flush the commode because it is full of $hit.

thatguyoverthere wrote:I hate to be a pessimist, and certainly not pointing fingers at anyone, but I think this nation is finished. Oh, the end won't come this year, or next year. But I think we're on the fast track to reach the end, and I'm afraid it won't be pretty when it arrives.

I've been saying this for several years....we're just closer to the end now than when I recognized what was happening.

Bitter Clinger wrote: