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ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

Think of the Chirrens!!!!!! Oh maw Gawd, the Chirrens!!! We can't be havin nuh gawns nowhere nearby the chirrens.

ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CHILD-CARE CENTERS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES LICENSING DIVISION wrote:§746.3707. Are firearms or other weapons allowed at my child-care center?
Subchapter S, Safety Practices
Division 1, Safety Precautions
September 2003
(no weight) (a) Law enforcement officials who are trained and certified to carry a firearm on duty may have firearms or ammunition on the premises of the child-care center.
High (b) For all other persons, firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons are prohibited on the premises of the child-care center, unless the child-care center is also your residence.
High (c) Firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons kept on the premises of a child-care center located in your home must remain in a locked cabinet inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.
High (d) Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked cabinet and inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.

FCH wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CHILD-CARE CENTERS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES LICENSING DIVISION wrote:§746.3707. Are firearms or other weapons allowed at my child-care center?
Subchapter S, Safety Practices
Division 1, Safety Precautions
September 2003
(no weight) (a) Law enforcement officials who are trained and certified to carry a firearm on duty may have firearms or ammunition on the premises of the child-care center.
High (b) For all other persons, firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons are prohibited on the premises of the child-care center, unless the child-care center is also your residence.
High (c) Firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons kept on the premises of a child-care center located in your home must remain in a locked cabinet inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.
High (d) Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked cabinet and inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.

And this is relevant to a daycare visitor, how?

Well I guess if I CC at a daycare that I don't own I could put their license in jeopardy... Too bad for the Fort Worth Zoo.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Vincelopez23 wrote:New here, so I apologize if this is the wrong section.

I received my license 2 days ago, and haven't had a chance to actually carry yet. But the wife and I regularly take our dogs to a local city dog park. I was wondering if anyone knew if it is legal to carry there given there are no signs posted? I appreciate any help or advice!

The one exception I can think of is if there is a school sponsored activity taking place at the park, in which case you would not be able to legally carry there.

I disagree.
Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Vincelopez23 wrote:New here, so I apologize if this is the wrong section.

I received my license 2 days ago, and haven't had a chance to actually carry yet. But the wife and I regularly take our dogs to a local city dog park. I was wondering if anyone knew if it is legal to carry there given there are no signs posted? I appreciate any help or advice!

The one exception I can think of is if there is a school sponsored activity taking place at the park, in which case you would not be able to legally carry there.

I disagree.
Chas.

w/ Charles

The exception I can think of is if the park is on land owned by the Army Corps of Engineers. On the west side of Houston, for example, we have a number of parks--including at least two dog parks that I know of--that are labeled as county parks but are wholly on ACOE property.

If you regularly use one or two dog parks, just check online to see if the property is ACOE (http://www.swd.usace.army.mil/). If on state, county, or local land, not federal, you're good to go.

ScottDLS wrote:

Teamless wrote: ...
If you are not participating or included with the school activities, then carry on

Just like going to a zoo
If there is a school trip there which you are not part of, you are not prohibited from carrying

Unless the zoo is a school like the FW Zoo, or an amusement park, like the Dallas Zoo.

Also, don't forget to leave your pistol at home if the park is within 100,000 feet of a school. You can never forget about the Federal Gun-Free School Zone ZIP Code Law!!!!!!!

FCH wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CHILD-CARE CENTERS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES LICENSING DIVISION wrote:§746.3707. Are firearms or other weapons allowed at my child-care center?
Subchapter S, Safety Practices
Division 1, Safety Precautions
September 2003
(no weight) (a) Law enforcement officials who are trained and certified to carry a firearm on duty may have firearms or ammunition on the premises of the child-care center.
High (b) For all other persons, firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons are prohibited on the premises of the child-care center, unless the child-care center is also your residence.
High (c) Firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons kept on the premises of a child-care center located in your home must remain in a locked cabinet inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.
High (d) Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked cabinet and inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.

Not seeing where it's illegal? Punishment? Penal Code enforcement?

FCH wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CHILD-CARE CENTERS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES LICENSING DIVISION wrote:§746.3707. Are firearms or other weapons allowed at my child-care center?
Subchapter S, Safety Practices
Division 1, Safety Precautions
September 2003
(no weight) (a) Law enforcement officials who are trained and certified to carry a firearm on duty may have firearms or ammunition on the premises of the child-care center.
High (b) For all other persons, firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons are prohibited on the premises of the child-care center, unless the child-care center is also your residence.
High (c) Firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons kept on the premises of a child-care center located in your home must remain in a locked cabinet inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.
High (d) Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked cabinet and inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.

This is a regulation by the agency that licenses childcare facilities. I believe I have an email somewhere from them saying they do require such facilities to post, unless they are on property owned or leased by a government entity in which case they will not require such a posting (the reason being fines for signs). Essentially a day care operator can loose their license if they do not prohibit firearms, unless they are a government body then they can get fined if they do.

G.A. Heath wrote:

FCH wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:I've never gotten this daycare thing. There's no mention of it anywhere in the law...?

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CHILD-CARE CENTERS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES LICENSING DIVISION wrote:§746.3707. Are firearms or other weapons allowed at my child-care center?
Subchapter S, Safety Practices
Division 1, Safety Precautions
September 2003
(no weight) (a) Law enforcement officials who are trained and certified to carry a firearm on duty may have firearms or ammunition on the premises of the child-care center.
High (b) For all other persons, firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons are prohibited on the premises of the child-care center, unless the child-care center is also your residence.
High (c) Firearms, hunting knives, bows and arrows, and other weapons kept on the premises of a child-care center located in your home must remain in a locked cabinet inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.
High (d) Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked cabinet and inaccessible to children during all hours of operation.

This is a regulation by the agency that licenses childcare facilities. I believe I have an email somewhere from them saying they do require such facilities to post, unless they are on property owned or leased by a government entity in which case they will not require such a posting (the reason being fines for signs). Essentially a day care operator can loose their license if they do not prohibit firearms, unless they are a government body then they can get fined if they do.

Facilities are absolutely NOT required to post 30.06 or 30.07, however, they can lose their license if caught violating the standards.

AJSully421 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:

Teamless wrote: ...
If you are not participating or included with the school activities, then carry on

Just like going to a zoo
If there is a school trip there which you are not part of, you are not prohibited from carrying

Unless the zoo is a school like the FW Zoo, or an amusement park, like the Dallas Zoo.

Also, don't forget to leave your pistol at home if the park is within 100,000 feet of a school. You can never forget about the Federal Gun-Free School Zone ZIP Code Law!!!!!!!

If you're not being sarcastic, I think you mean 1,000 feet.

And if you have a license to carry, you are exempt from the Federal GFZ law (Texas resident w/Texas license only).

I have been unable to find my response from the Department of Family Services. Although I fear I may have occidentally deleted it, this thread has a similar response from CCL: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81781&p=1044297&hil ... s#p1044297

While signage is not required by rule for child care centers, they do have to provide effective notification or risk loosing their license.

The day care we used to take our daughter to before she was old enough to enroll in school never had any signage and never provided oral notification regarding the prohibition of firearms. It was a house in a residential neighborhood, but not a home where anyone lived. Well, I'm not entirely sure about that last part. I'm also not certain that there wasn't something in the paperwork about any prohibition or actual 30.06 verbiage. I often CCed when either dropping her off or picking her up. Anyway, that was many years ago and I think that day care has since closed after the owner died.

As an aside, please remember that sarcasm isn't very obvious without the proper smiley and even then is not always understood. There's a new member asking a question that would seem obvious to many of us that have been carrying for years and even decades and they might not understand that some of the sarcastic answers are only that.

oohrah wrote:

AJSully421 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:

Teamless wrote: ...
If you are not participating or included with the school activities, then carry on

Just like going to a zoo
If there is a school trip there which you are not part of, you are not prohibited from carrying

Unless the zoo is a school like the FW Zoo, or an amusement park, like the Dallas Zoo.

Also, don't forget to leave your pistol at home if the park is within 100,000 feet of a school. You can never forget about the Federal Gun-Free School Zone ZIP Code Law!!!!!!!

If you're not being sarcastic, I think you mean 1,000 feet.

And if you have a license to carry, you are exempt from the Federal GFZ law (Texas resident w/Texas license only).

I come up with some INSANELY outrageous number like one hundred thousand feet of a school... that is around 18.5 miles. How are you supposed to know if you are within 18.5 miles of a school or not at all times? And to add to the obvious overstatement, I even add "ZIP code" to the name of the school zone, then I use way too many exclamation points. Lastly, we all know that license holders are exempt, otherwise we would be getting arrested almost daily... and you have trouble telling if I am being sarcastic or not? OK.

I try not to use smileys or emoticons of any type because I am not a 13 year old girl.