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treadlightly wrote:As with any new design, there are uncertainties that may reveal themselves over time.

I imagine once the 1911 has been in circulation long enough to prove its merit, the NRA will be happy with them.

Personally, I think the 1911 design has a lot of promise, even if it isn't a tried-and-true striker gun.

Yeah, I'm not sure whether those new fangled metal parts will be as reliable as the plastic parts in my Glocks.

Looking at the instructor photo, I assume they're trying to avoid 1911-leg incidents in their high speed operator classes.

Pawpaw wrote:I am not interested in any "training" that prohibits 1911s. A class that prohibits any proven combat firearm is a non-starter in my book.

I Concur!!!

Ban the greatest fighting pistol in history? Good luck with your little program.

Wasn't there another thread on this topic early this morning? Someone in that thread had a pretty good explanation that made sense but I can't seem to find the thread now.

RossA wrote:Recently the NRA announced a series of new classes called Carry Guard. Apparently they have decided that 1911's won't be allowed as a "primary weapon" for the classes, but will be as a back up.
Makes no sense to me, but then, it's the NRA.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... Newsletter

WHAT ?????

Jusme wrote

That's odd, not sure what the reason would be unless, there is a minimum number of rounds that need to be fired before performing a reload.

How about a Para Ordnance P13? Is that enough rounds?
Other than the magazine capacity, its basically a 1911.

RossA wrote:No excuse for poor trigger discipline.

My understanding is that after his hand was obliterated by a grenade, the pieces of it were sent back with him in a baggie full of snow. They were able to mostly reassemble it with extensive surgery and some grafts from other parts of his body, but he does not have full mobility and use of it. It's very possible that he simply can't straighten that finger fully. To my mind, that is a valid excuse.

ETA: Found a description from a little googling:

...a truly horrifying injury in 1983. It’s as ugly a tale as can be easily imagined—a malfunctioning prototype, an unexpected detonation, a near bleed-out, and the fragments of this world-class shooter’s right hand packed in a bag of snow.

“No way we’re gonna be able to save that hand,” was the first verdict. In the end, multiple operations, harvested bones and skin from elsewhere on his body—and a Ruger Security Six in the operating room for a mold so his grip and trigger finger could be reconstructed—gave James a right hand of sorts, though with a permanently shortened trigger finger and no “web” between the thumb and index finger. “It was a blessing in many ways, though that was harder to see at the time. I decided to see it as a challenge, and it sure gave me empathy for the pains and difficulties of others,” he says.

While I have empathy for the man's circumstances, I do not believe it was wise to use his picture.

So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

Well, the evolution of guns never stops, like ah, we no longer use blunderbusses, or flintlocks for self defense, and most of us drive newer models vehicles, but yes, I do occasionally see a Model T tootling down the road - perhaps it's finally time the 1911 started it's tootling down the road...except for aficionados of antique firearms...

Bitter Clinger wrote:So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

I saw this proposed class described somewhere as a "Level 1" class - which I took to mean "entry-level". The 1911 platform is not a beginner's gun. I love them and own two of them, but they are a gunfighter's gun, not a beginner's gun. Maybe that is the reason?

850 bucks for a three day class?

No thank you

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

I saw this proposed class described somewhere as a "Level 1" class - which I took to mean "entry-level". The 1911 platform is not a beginner's gun. I love them and own two of them, but they are a gunfighter's gun, not a beginner's gun. Maybe that is the reason?

I would argue that semi autos with no manual safety aren't beginner guns either.

1911 10MM wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

I saw this proposed class described somewhere as a "Level 1" class - which I took to mean "entry-level". The 1911 platform is not a beginner's gun. I love them and own two of them, but they are a gunfighter's gun, not a beginner's gun. Maybe that is the reason?

I would argue that semi autos with no manual safety aren't beginner guns either.

So, argue.