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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:30 pm
by WTR
Soccerdad1995 wrote:I've had many firearms discharge when no safeties were engaged, there was a round in the chamber, and I pulled the trigger. This has happened to me with guns manufactured by Glock, CZ, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Walther, Sphinx, Calico, Bushmaster, Colt, Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Mossberg, Weatherby, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Rossi, Kahr, and others.
I have never had a firearm discharge while a safety was engaged, while there was no round in the chamber, and when I did not pull the trigger.
I agree that it would be nice to know the gun make and model and if any mods were done to the gun if the gun fired while safeties were engaged, without the trigger being pulled, or if there was no round in the chamber. But I believe there is zero benefit to knowing that which gun model functioned as it was designed by firing when the trigger was pulled on a chambered round with all safeties disengaged. It would be more informative to know the age, sex, race, and occupation of the humans who actually screwed up in these situations. After all, the human was faulty, not the gun.
I would be embarrassed to have had that many NDs. I have been around guns for better than 55 years.
You make a strong aurgunentat for safeties
Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:39 pm
by C-dub
WTR wrote:Soccerdad1995 wrote:I've had many firearms discharge when no safeties were engaged, there was a round in the chamber, and I pulled the trigger. This has happened to me with guns manufactured by Glock, CZ, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Walther, Sphinx, Calico, Bushmaster, Colt, Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Mossberg, Weatherby, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Rossi, Kahr, and others.
I have never had a firearm discharge while a safety was engaged, while there was no round in the chamber, and when I did not pull the trigger.
I agree that it would be nice to know the gun make and model and if any mods were done to the gun if the gun fired while safeties were engaged, without the trigger being pulled, or if there was no round in the chamber. But I believe there is zero benefit to knowing that which gun model functioned as it was designed by firing when the trigger was pulled on a chambered round with all safeties disengaged. It would be more informative to know the age, sex, race, and occupation of the humans who actually screwed up in these situations. After all, the human was faulty, not the gun.
I would be embarrassed to have had that many NDs. I have been around guns for better than 55 years.
You make a strong aurgunentat for safeties
Read that again a little more carefully. I don't think any of those were NDs.
Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:42 pm
by Soccerdad1995
WTR wrote:Soccerdad1995 wrote:I've had many firearms discharge when no safeties were engaged, there was a round in the chamber, and I pulled the trigger. This has happened to me with guns manufactured by Glock, CZ, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Walther, Sphinx, Calico, Bushmaster, Colt, Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Mossberg, Weatherby, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Rossi, Kahr, and others.
I have never had a firearm discharge while a safety was engaged, while there was no round in the chamber, and when I did not pull the trigger.
I agree that it would be nice to know the gun make and model and if any mods were done to the gun if the gun fired while safeties were engaged, without the trigger being pulled, or if there was no round in the chamber. But I believe there is zero benefit to knowing that which gun model functioned as it was designed by firing when the trigger was pulled on a chambered round with all safeties disengaged. It would be more informative to know the age, sex, race, and occupation of the humans who actually screwed up in these situations. After all, the human was faulty, not the gun.
I would be embarrassed to have had that many NDs. I have been around guns for better than 55 years.
You make a strong aurgunentat for safeties
I have had zero ND's, but I have had tens of thousands of ID's (Intentional Discharges). I'm not sure how firing tens of thousands of rounds, on guns with and without manual safeties, with zero ND's is an argument for safeties. I think it is more of an argument that ND's are caused by operator error, and not by the design of the gun.
Hence why we should gather details on the faulty operators involved in ND's, not the properly functioning guns.
Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:49 pm
by WTR
I apologize , that comes from old eyes reading on an iPhone.
Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:32 pm
by The Annoyed Man
I have had ONE negligent discharge. I stupidly fired a .44 magnum revolver into the ceiling while the muzzle was about 6" from my left ear. Been paying for that one ever since. I thought I had unloaded the gun when I dumped "one, two, three....yeah that looks like six" rounds into my hand before cocking and dry firing it a few times. The last one wasn't dry. That was in 1997 or so.
But I have never had a negligent discharge from a pistol of any kind since - including any of my Glocks. Accidentally killing Mister Ceiling was enough to scare me straight. The ultimate safety is the one between your ears. If it isn't engaged, it isn't going to matter whether you've got a Glock or a 1911 or a .357 magnum revolver.