Straight story on Veterans CHL applications...Fee Reductions

[Crossfire]

...In short, if you are applying for your 3rd renewal, you have to have a TR-100 that is dated within 6 months of the current renewal (the 3rd) application, or within 6 months of the preceding renewal (the 2nd) application. If you don't go to a class for your 3rd renewal, then you'll have to go to one for your 4th renewal, but not the 5th, and so on...

WOW!

This is gonna be tough to keep up with. So, I suppose when DPS sends out the renewal letter, they will tell you whether you have to take a class to renew, right?

And, if the class is not required, then what else is? Photos? Fingerprints? Affidavits? I am so thoroughly confused now...

[txinvestigator]

With 10 years between CHL classes, maybe I should retire and start giving my Deadly Force seminars all over the State.

Chas.

Thats what I'm thinking.

[stevie_d_64]

So how much of a discount are we entitled to?

50% across the board...Initial license, renewals, change of address and replacement of stolen, lost or destroyed "plastic"...

When you send in the info they require...Just include a "copy" (no need for a notorized or certified copy) of the DD-214 and a little note attached to remind them why you are also paying a 50% rate...They'll note electronically you submitted a DD-214 on your file, and bingo, you should be set...

In the past I thought of how they were going to do this, but sending the information in when you didn't need anything down to an existing CHL license, or need for any renewal or change...Would overload them...

So I figured when I confirmed this that it made sense to do it this way...

I wish this had been done in 2005 like I've said in the past, because I'm not due to renew till 2012 now...But I do anticipate an address change in the next year or so...

And with this other bill/law...Going to have to figure out the whole "Do I need to take the class this next time when I have to renew, issue?"

We'll see...

[stevie_d_64]

...In short, if you are applying for your 3rd renewal, you have to have a TR-100 that is dated within 6 months of the current renewal (the 3rd) application, or within 6 months of the preceding renewal (the 2nd) application. If you don't go to a class for your 3rd renewal, then you'll have to go to one for your 4th renewal, but not the 5th, and so on...

WOW!

This is gonna be tough to keep up with. So, I suppose when DPS sends out the renewal letter, they will tell you whether you have to take a class to renew, right?

And, if the class is not required, then what else is? Photos? Fingerprints? Affidavits? I am so thoroughly confused now...

I have a headache...

Is it Friday yet???

[Mike1951]

Re: HB1839

There is almost certainly a down side to passage of this bill.

We are only exempt from NICS because our CHL has met the 5 year criteria for BATFE.

The way I see it, after five years from issuance, we will have to start having NICS checks done again.

It's a minor thing and probably worth the savings of a CHL class, but it would seem to be the case.

Edited to add: I guess if they still do the background check during processing, we'll be ok.

[txinvestigator]

Re: HB1839

There is almost certainly a down side to passage of this bill.

We are only exempt from NICS because our CHL has met the 5 year criteria for BATFE.

The way I see it, after five years from issuance, we will have to start having NICS checks done again.

It's a minor thing and probably worth the savings of a CHL class, but it would seem to be the case.

Edited to add: I guess if they still do the background check during processing, we'll be ok.

You will still have to renew every 5, just not take the class. Since the license is only good for 5 years, I imagine that the renewal process will still require pictures, prints, etc. At least lets hope so.

[Liberty]

WHAT? Where have we been, and why is this the first time we have heard about this?

Are there other obscure bills out there that passed and we didn't notice?

Its been mentioned in the 2007 legislative forum on this board.

[AEA]

So how much of a discount are we entitled to?

50% across the board...Initial license, renewals, change of address and replacement of stolen, lost or destroyed "plastic"...

When you send in the info they require...Just include a "copy" (no need for a notorized or certified copy) of the DD-214 and a little note attached to remind them why you are also paying a 50% rate...They'll note electronically you submitted a DD-214 on your file, and bingo, you should be set...

In the past I thought of how they were going to do this, but sending the information in when you didn't need anything down to an existing CHL license, or need for any renewal or change...Would overload them...

So I figured when I confirmed this that it made sense to do it this way...

I wish this had been done in 2005 like I've said in the past, because I'm not due to renew till 2012 now...But I do anticipate an address change in the next year or so...

And with this other bill/law...Going to have to figure out the whole "Do I need to take the class this next time when I have to renew, issue?"

We'll see...

Well, this is good and I am glad you got someone to talk to you and explain what they were going to do.......but, there is one thing.......

When you renew online, you have to pay then by Credit Card. So, will there be an option to select the Vet Rate and followup with the paperwork when submitting the application that they send you?

[stevie_d_64]

HB1839.

It applies to the 3rd and subsequent renewals, so if you've renewed twice, then you don't have to take a renewal course for your next renewal, if you wait until after Sept. 1, 2007 to apply.

Chas.

(a) To renew a license, a license holder must:
(1) complete a continuing education course in handgun proficiency under Section 411.188(c) within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to complete the course more than once in any 10-year period;
(2) obtain a handgun proficiency certificate under Section 411.189 within the six-month period preceding:
(A) the date of application for renewal, for a first or second renewal; and
(B) the date of application for renewal or the date of application for the preceding renewal, for a third or subsequent renewal, to ensure that the license holder is not required to obtain the certificate more than once in any 10-year period;

I am usually pretty good at deciphering the language, but can ya clarify that for me?

We could start a club on this one. I had to draw a time-line to see if they accomplished what the author intended with this bill.

In short, if you are applying for your 3rd renewal, you have to have a TR-100 that is dated within 6 months of the current renewal (the 3rd) application, or within 6 months of the preceding renewal (the 2nd) application. If you don't go to a class for your 3rd renewal, then you'll have to go to one for your 4th renewal, but not the 5th, and so on.

Chas.

So if we time this right we could easily keep track of this like its an even/odd rotation deal???

So I've just renewed, its the third one I believe...Hard to keep track...

So when it comes time to do this again in 2012 (like Txi) we don't have to class this renewal, but in 2017, we will...

hmmmm...I need to get a calculator...

[stevie_d_64]

So how much of a discount are we entitled to?

50% across the board...Initial license, renewals, change of address and replacement of stolen, lost or destroyed "plastic"...

When you send in the info they require...Just include a "copy" (no need for a notorized or certified copy) of the DD-214 and a little note attached to remind them why you are also paying a 50% rate...They'll note electronically you submitted a DD-214 on your file, and bingo, you should be set...

In the past I thought of how they were going to do this, but sending the information in when you didn't need anything down to an existing CHL license, or need for any renewal or change...Would overload them...

So I figured when I confirmed this that it made sense to do it this way...

I wish this had been done in 2005 like I've said in the past, because I'm not due to renew till 2012 now...But I do anticipate an address change in the next year or so...

And with this other bill/law...Going to have to figure out the whole "Do I need to take the class this next time when I have to renew, issue?"

We'll see...

Well, this is good and I am glad you got someone to talk to you and explain what they were going to do.......but, there is one thing.......

When you renew online, you have to pay then by Credit Card. So, will there be an option to select the Vet Rate and followup with the paperwork when submitting the application that they send you?

Good question...I could speculate that you'd probably already have to have your DD-214 data already entered into their system before you did anything with them online...

That is a good point to make to them if that is what you are intending to do, as refunds for a full amount payment may be difficult to comeby considering they may not have the mechanism in place to provide that refund...

I think alot still needs to be worked out...And I believe they are correct in not having all of us, who qualify, to send in this massive influx of information...

But for the folks doing stuff online for the first time after this law goes into effect...Yes, this may become a fly in the ointment...

I believe they are doing a good job there in Austin, and they probably got some folks working on this stuff...

[Drifter]

This thread got off the subject line right out of the chute.

"Straight story on Veterans CHL applications...Fee Reductions" was the first posting title.

My question is what is the fee for a senior veteran ? Do we get a double discount, i.e., pay only 1/4 the standard fee?

[stevie_d_64]

This thread got off the subject line right out of the chute.

"Straight story on Veterans CHL applications...Fee Reductions" was the first posting title.

My question is what is the fee for a senior veteran ? Do we get a double discount, i.e., pay only 1/4 the standard fee?

Well shoot "Drifter", I just dunno...I'm not sure if you can get a double coupon discount in that case...It is a very good point to make, yet the only thing I can suggest is give the folks in Austin a call...I have found them to be very pleasant to discuss these issues lately...

I have a co-worker here who falls into that situation as well...He has not told me what he has discovered about that as yet...If he does, I'll be happy to let you know...

And I'm ok with the discussion so far because a couple of really good things legislatively haven't been totally figured out just yet...Thats what we're taking care of here...

BTW. "Greybeard" just gave a good synopsis of the latest Instructor school class, and thought I would link that discussion here as well, so others can soak that one up too...

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 532#105532

[Drifter]

I agree that the discussion raised some good points; however, it strayed from the title, thus my question.

A lot of the legislation reminds me of the old saying, "Don't do what I said, do what I meant!" There's a hugh staff in the Pentagon who spend their time trying to interpret the annual military spending bills to determine what can and can't be done.

Anyhow, I doubt that we senior vets will get a "two-fer" from Austin. Given the choice, I'll claim the Vet discount over the Geezer discount, but, unfortunately, one day I woke up and realized I was both!

[stevie_d_64]

I agree that the discussion raised some good points; however, it strayed from the title, thus my question.

A lot of the legislation reminds me of the old saying, "Don't do what I said, do what I meant!" There's a hugh staff in the Pentagon who spend their time trying to interpret the annual military spending bills to determine what can and can't be done.

Anyhow, I doubt that we senior vets will get a "two-fer" from Austin. Given the choice, I'll claim the Vet discount over the Geezer discount, but, unfortunately, one day I woke up and realized I was both!

Well it is an honorable distinction sir! Maybe I'll get there someday as well...

[Mithras61]

Given the choice, I'll claim the Vet discount over the Geezer discount, but, unfortunately, one day I woke up and realized I was both!

Are you saying you're a veteran geezer, or that you're a geezer that's a veteran?

I'm trying to figure out how you could become a veteran geezer