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The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:19 am
But consider this: all that a bully needs to affirm his bullying and be encouraged in more bullying behavior, is for decent peace-loving people to submit to his bullying. If you want to wear a MAGA hat but refuse to do so because you’re afraid that you’ll be hassled for it, then you’re submitting to the bullying. There is no other way to describe that. But if you don’t wear a MAGA hat because you never had the inclination to wear one in the first place, then you’re not submitting to bullying....you’re just exercising your normal choices.

I have no intention of submitting to bullying. But another one of your favorite phrases, I believe, is "you need to pick the hill that you want to die on." Like the example of the Corvette being trashed, some will go to great lengths to try to enforce their dominance. I'll go further. You talked about tribalism. I think that the gangs that we have in the big cities are a manifestation of that. People are reduced to protecting their turf and even the hint of a rival gang sign or an implied "dis" is enough for the situation to escalate to murder. I see this latest boldness on the part of the more radical Left as a society level devolving into the gang warfare that they have abided, perhaps encouraged in the city areas that they control. All this "trigger' stuff is a carbon copy of the gang situation. That is the part of wearing a MAGA hat or similar clothing that bothers me. I ask myself if this is really the hill that I want to die on. While that might seem extreme, I think a lot of whether it is extreme or not is derived from your surroundings. In my suburban home area, as the others have said, a MAGA hat might not draw any attention. I passed out door hangers before the last election to people registered in my party and was hitting 90% of the neighborhoods that I canvassed. But you just never know whose turf you are on when you go out of your immediate circle. Gang turf in cities turns on blocks. One block you are safe, the next you are not.

Lastly, if someone is triggered and a confrontation ensues, would a court of my peers hold me blameless if I was wearing a MAGA hat? I have to say that I've lost confidence in our judicial system in matters like this. Too many DAs seem to be hard Left types. I find it ironic that I face less potential push back in public, based on the history of the past couple of years, wearing an openly displayed pistol in public than I might a MAGA hat. We all know the emotional outbursts that can come from the gun control opponents and were threatened after OC passed. Those seem to have waned. I do wonder what could occur with that combination - OC and a MAGA hat.
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I've been pondering the OP's questions myself. I have a MAGA hat (which I had to purchase after losing a bet) but have never worn it. I'm not particularly a fan of Trump, though I did vote for him in the general (Cruz in primary) and like much of what he's doing. I just don't feel that strongly about him to have to defend him if confronted. But this incident with the Covington kids has me very, very tempted to start wearing it, to shove it right back in the left's faces.

Then I think how sad it is that I'm even thinking that way, but then I realize that that's where the left has pushed us in this country and that something has to be done to fight back. We can't survive as a country like this.

Having said all that, I do have an NRA hat that I sometimes wear around town and have not had any incidences, even in Austin. But in fairness, I don't wear hats very often and the NRA hat I do have is a camo one that isn't quite as distinctive as the black ones with the yellow lettering.
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chasfm11 wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:05 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:19 am
But consider this: all that a bully needs to affirm his bullying and be encouraged in more bullying behavior, is for decent peace-loving people to submit to his bullying. If you want to wear a MAGA hat but refuse to do so because you’re afraid that you’ll be hassled for it, then you’re submitting to the bullying. There is no other way to describe that. But if you don’t wear a MAGA hat because you never had the inclination to wear one in the first place, then you’re not submitting to bullying....you’re just exercising your normal choices.

I have no intention of submitting to bullying. But another one of your favorite phrases, I believe, is "you need to pick the hill that you want to die on." Like the example of the Corvette being trashed, some will go to great lengths to try to enforce their dominance. I'll go further. You talked about tribalism. I think that the gangs that we have in the big cities are a manifestation of that. People are reduced to protecting their turf and even the hint of a rival gang sign or an implied "dis" is enough for the situation to escalate to murder. I see this latest boldness on the part of the more radical Left as a society level devolving into the gang warfare that they have abided, perhaps encouraged in the city areas that they control. All this "trigger' stuff is a carbon copy of the gang situation. That is the part of wearing a MAGA hat or similar clothing that bothers me. I ask myself if this is really the hill that I want to die on. While that might seem extreme, I think a lot of whether it is extreme or not is derived from your surroundings. In my suburban home area, as the others have said, a MAGA hat might not draw any attention. I passed out door hangers before the last election to people registered in my party and was hitting 90% of the neighborhoods that I canvassed. But you just never know whose turf you are on when you go out of your immediate circle. Gang turf in cities turns on blocks. One block you are safe, the next you are not.

Lastly, if someone is triggered and a confrontation ensues, would a court of my peers hold me blameless if I was wearing a MAGA hat? I have to say that I've lost confidence in our judicial system in matters like this. Too many DAs seem to be hard Left types. I find it ironic that I face less potential push back in public, based on the history of the past couple of years, wearing an openly displayed pistol in public than I might a MAGA hat. We all know the emotional outbursts that can come from the gun control opponents and were threatened after OC passed. Those seem to have waned. I do wonder what could occur with that combination - OC and a MAGA hat.
Actually, we agree, and I might have stated my “bullying” comment too vaguely. I did not mean it in a belittling manner. My point is this....I think.... if you WANT to wear a MAGA hat, go ahead and wear it, but first make sure you understand that you may be picking a hill to die on which you hadn’t intended. But if you’re dead set on doing it, don’t let a leftist bully dissuade you from doing what you have every right to do. It’s just that in my default state, I prefer not to draw artillery fire, and to be rigged for escape and evasion. And I freely admit that this is my reaction to the potential for bullying by others.

But I also stated that I prefer a Gray Man approach in most things anyway. My ideas and thoughts might be considered by some on the left to be dangerously extremist (and by some on the right), but I don’t want people to be able to tell that about me just by looking at me. Consequently, I tend to dress in a way that is normal for men of my age cohort, and I don’t stand out much in a crowd....or at least, that is my intent. My vehicle has two stickers on it. One is small and circular-shaped, and unreadable from more than a couple of feet away, and it merely has the name of my church on it. The other is a comical “no step on snek” sticker in the back window, which I put there for humorous purposes, and has generated more laughs than anything else from anyone who has noticed it.

It’s this one:
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But I even have my doubts about that sticker, and if the fecal matter ever really hits the rotating oscillating ventilation device, that sticker will come right off as easily as it went on.

Other than that, I almost never wear loud colors, and I don’t wear advocacy hats. For instance, although I do own a couple of brightly colored Hawaiian shirts, I haven’t worn them in years. I tend to wear sunglasses and a neutral colored baseball hat most of the time, and I have a beard. I can lose the hat and sunglasses, shave the beard, and dye my white hair brown, and I can fade into the crowd. The flip side of that is that I could deliberately wear bright colored shirts with a neutral colored t-shirt underneath, and drop the Hawaiian shirt in the nearest dumpster if necessary. The point is, I actively think about these things all the time BECAUSE the situation is deteriorating.

It’s a shame too. Among the YouTube channels I’m subscribed to are three that are owned by Matt Carriker: Demolition Ranch, Off the Ranch, and Vet Ranch. Matt’s younger brother Mark is now in a desperate fight against a particularly aggressive cranial cancer, and he is also a husband and father of two adorable kids. So Matt’s company, Bunker Branding, made up some tee shirts and hats for sale, with the revenues from those sales going to help his brother defray the costs peripheral to his treatment. He has health insurance to cover the medical costs, but he has to travel back and forth between the San Antonio area and MD Anderson in Houston. The money raised goes to help pay for lodging and other travel expenses for Mark and his family when he goes down there for treatements. The hat is bright red, and in text similar to the MAGA hats, it says “Make Mark Great Again” above the bill.

I bought both a hat and a tee shirt, but I won’t wear that hat because it’s not worth the possible blowback for me. The tee shirt slogan is much more generic, on olive green fabric. I’d wear it, but unfortunately was not available in my size, so I gave it to my son. Here are the links, for anyone who cares to support that cause. But you can see why I won’t wear the hat.

Hat: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/products ... 5473594413

Tee shirt: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/products ... 5469531181
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Trashing someone's car because of a political bumper sticker, or assaulting them (verbally or physically) for wearing a piece of clothing with a political message. How are these things not examples of voter intimidation?

If I (a white male) go up to a group of black kids who are wearing hats / shirts / whatever supporting a democratic candidate and start banging a drum inches from one of their faces will the MSM jump to the conclusion that the kids were taunting and making fun of me when all they were doing is smiling in return? If you think the answer to that question is "yes" then I believe you are sorely mistaken.

We are living through an all out assault on democracy folks, and it isn't coming from the Russians. We each can decide what, if anything, we want to do in response.
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So today on the Today show there was a story of bullying of a five year old boy at school.

The little boy for some reason likes to wear red nail polish. He was teased and bullied at school.

His parents supported his right to wear red nail polish. Apparently earlier the story got out and lots of big sports stars sent him photos of them with red nail polish.

I’m sure you have seen the 10 year old boy who dresses as a glamor girl and performs strip tease at cross dressing clubs. There is a photo of him with a naked man who is also dresses as a woman. They have to have a black censor stripe at his genitalia. Both are being all glamorous next to each other for the camera.

The main stream media fawns over the kid about how great it all is.

But MAGA hats, burn um at the stake.
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philip964 wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:31 pm So today on the Today show there was a story of bullying of a five year old boy at school.

The little boy for some reason likes to wear red nail polish. He was teased and bullied at school.

His parents supported his right to wear red nail polish. Apparently earlier the story got out and lots of big sports stars sent him photos of them with red nail polish.

I’m sure you have seen the 10 year old boy who dresses as a glamor girl and performs strip tease at cross dressing clubs. There is a photo of him with a naked man who is also dresses as a woman. They have to have a black censor stripe at his genitalia. Both are being all glamorous next to each other for the camera.

The main stream media fawns over the kid about how great it all is. Google Queenlactatia if you have a strong stomach.

But MAGA hats, burn um at the stake.
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Every great power through the ages as shown that it's in decline when debauchery becomes "normal" ladies and gentlemen we are there! We are headed over the cliff and the front wheels have dropped off the precipice!
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While we're talking about provocative clothing and symbols:

"To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice System... The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the Justice System, an example of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system." - Punisher co-creator Gerry Conway
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A more recent example.
https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Man-a ... 71901.html

It is unfortunate that it was a concealed license holder who pulled his gun on the MAGA hat.
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chasfm11 wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:05 am A more recent example.
https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Man-a ... 71901.html

It is unfortunate that it was a concealed license holder who pulled his gun on the MAGA hat.
I don’t see the situation getting any better. The left have totally become little brown-shirted nazi manure-heads.
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This woman actually fired shots and ended up only getting 30 days in jail.
http://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2018 ... ment-case/

This guy that pulled his gun because of a MAGA hat will probably only get probation. Hopefully, though, we will also lose his license and possibly his right to possess firearms at all after proving he's reckless and unable to control himself. Another liberal demonstrates what they project onto all gun owners, that they cannot control themselves.
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I live in a small town 50 miles from Weirdville (AKA Austin) I have to go into that awful
nest of gun hating liberals a couple of times a month. I have removed all nra stickers from
my vehicles for two reasons liberals might try to attack me or a thief might break into my vehicle to steal guns
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