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Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:32 am
by The Annoyed Man
WildBill wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:05 am
Dear Dumb Father - Tell your daughter she can stay at your house if she gets rid of her exploding bullets and replaces them with the type that police use.
I like your thinkin'!
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:24 pm
by MaduroBU
Children should be taught to fear guns until they are old enough to be taught to responsibly handle them (even if they never willingly do so).
The basic, safe handling of a firearm is a life skill. When the population was largely rural it was simply passed down like changing a tire or watering plants. Lack of utility in daily life for urbanites has made this (and many other) life skills into strange or secret knowledge for them. This ignorance, when coupled with profound arrogance, produces the demonstrably false statement issued by Amy.
My favorite counter to people who blindly quote the Kellerman "a gun in the home is 3x more likely to kill a resident of the house than an intruder" is to ask if they keep a rifle or shotgun, rent a home/apartment, or consume any amount of alcohol. According to that one study, renting or consuming ANY alcohol raises your odds of being a homicide victim more than owning a pistol. A rifle or shotgun in the home actually reduces one's odds of becoming a victim of homicide in the home.
But Kellerman's study was horribly done. The best guess based upon his own data and government data suggests that about 4.5% of homicides committed in homes were committed with guns kept in the home.
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:48 pm
by WTR
MaduroBU wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:24 pm
Children should be taught to fear guns until they are old enough to be taught to responsibly handle them (even if they never willingly do so).
The basic, safe handling of a firearm is a life skill. When the population was largely rural it was simply passed down like changing a tire or watering plants. Lack of utility in daily life for urbanites has made this (and many other) life skills into strange or secret knowledge for them. This ignorance, when coupled with profound arrogance, produces the demonstrably false statement issued by Amy.
My favorite counter to people who blindly quote the Kellerman "a gun in the home is 3x more likely to kill a resident of the house than an intruder" is to ask if they keep a rifle or shotgun, rent a home/apartment, or consume any amount of alcohol. According to that one study, renting or consuming ANY alcohol raises your odds of being a homicide victim more than owning a pistol. A rifle or shotgun in the home actually reduces one's odds of becoming a victim of homicide in the home.
But Kellerman's study was horribly done. The best guess based upon his own data and government data suggests that about 4.5% of homicides committed in homes were committed with guns kept in the home.
Children should never be taught to fear a weapon. They need to be taught to respect weapons and respect the adult who tells them not to handle a weapon until they receive the proper training in order to handle a weapons safely.
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 pm
by C-dub
I taught my daughter to respect many things including firearms and fear nothing. The later bites me in the rear every now and then, but I still think she's great!
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:27 pm
by Flightmare
C-dub wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 pm
I taught my daughter to respect many things including firearms and fear nothing. The later bites me in the rear every now and then, but I still think she's great!
I dunno. I think she fears running out of gas here and there.

Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:39 pm
by tbrown
WTR wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:48 pm
Children should never be taught to fear a weapon. They need to be taught to respect weapons and respect the adult who tells them not to handle a weapon until they receive the proper training in order to handle a weapons safely.
There's no doubt guns are dangerous to untrained children. The same is true for many other household tools like kitchen knives and toaster ovens. Actually, let me correct my first sentence. Guns are dangerous to untrained people who don't have self control, no matter their age.
Also, while every preventable injury is tragic, especially fatal injuries, guns get a disproportionate amount of attention because of political agendas. The reality is, for children less than 1 year of age, two–thirds of injury deaths were due to suffocation. Drowning is the leading cause injury death for those 1 to 4 years of age, but there isn't a Soros-funded movement to ban private ownership of swimming pools and bathtubs. Somehow, rational thought rears its head, and people understand that education is more effective than legislation.
Between 5 and 19 years of age, most injury deaths come from being an occupant in a motor vehicle traffic crash. Should we teach K-12 students to fear being passengers in the family automobile or the school bus?
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:56 pm
by C-dub
Flightmare wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:27 pm
C-dub wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 pm
I taught my daughter to respect many things including firearms and fear nothing. The later bites me in the rear every now and then, but I still think she's great!
I dunno. I think she fears running out of gas here and there.
Not if I'm just a phone call away with an extra gallon or two. I can't fit a two gallon can in my bike, but I wonder if I can fit a couple one gallon ones in the saddle bags.
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:34 pm
by C-dub
That was great. The comments were what what I was hoping for. The people step up to correct "Amy's" ignorance and point it out to all.
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:02 pm
by thatguyoverthere
C-dub wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:56 pm
Flightmare wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:27 pm
C-dub wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 pm
I taught my daughter to respect many things including firearms and fear nothing. The later bites me in the rear every now and then, but I still think she's great!
I dunno. I think she fears running out of gas here and there.
Not if I'm just a phone call away with an extra gallon or two. I can't fit a two gallon can in my bike, but I wonder if I can fit a couple one gallon ones in the saddle bags.
Here ya go:
https://www.amazon.com/GALLON-PLASTIC-D ... B00NPCEEVQ 
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:32 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
C-dub:
I guess you never schooled H-dub that "E" means EMPTY, not ENOUGH. :-)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Dickinson
The columnist is from NYS, went to college in Mass, and DC. That's where her gun ignorance problem started.
SIA
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:12 pm
by bblhd672
Ask Amy, P.O. Box 194, Freeville, NY 13068
New Yorker....it makes sense now.
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:15 pm
by bblhd672
tbrown wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:39 pm
There's no doubt guns are dangerous to untrained children.

This father should never own a gun
Re: Ask Amy...
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:18 pm
by anygunanywhere
bblhd672 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:15 pm
tbrown wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:39 pm
There's no doubt guns are dangerous to untrained children.

This father should never own a gun
He should have never had children.