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They're saying it was a breach of protocol, but they're not identifying the breach........which means that they really don't know what happened. They have a model. If the disease is cooperative with their model, then they feel safe. If the disease doesn't cooperate, then their assumption is that the protocol was violated, because their model just couldn't be wrong........ sort of like climate alarmist beliefs in models which nature refuses to bow down to.puma guy wrote:A nurse who cared for Mr. Duncan has tested positive for Ebola. The CDC is already spinning it as a "breach of protocol" but other reports state investigation is ongoing. Some of the links have some advertising and links that I didn't want to post so I'll leave it to the reader to look up info on the situatuon. Bottom line there's no telling how many were exposed by this second person. and so it goes.
Agree on all points...plus, according to "risk assessment criteria" she was not even on the high risk watch list...her contact was classified as low risk. Despite all the talking heads that have stated with absolute certainty that the virus cannot be transmitted airborne...only by direct contact...they issued a statement that the risk management team had sanitized her car, along with any handrails, doors, knobs and switches she might have come in contact with once she arrived at the hospital. The fact the she drove to the hospital itself was a breach of protocol....how is it that someone involved in the situation isn't aware that they were supposed to call the hospital or County Health Center and they would send an ambulance and specially trained EMT's to pick them up and maintain isolation. I've heard that on every newscast since this started, yet both this woman and the Deputy from Frisco drove themselves, potentially exposing others. How is it that the specially trained personnel such as Dr. Brantley, who have all the specialized hazmat clothing and respirators have still caught it.The Annoyed Man wrote:They're saying it was a breach of protocol, but they're not identifying the breach........which means that they really don't know what happened. They have a model. If the disease is cooperative with their model, then they feel safe. If the disease doesn't cooperate, then their assumption is that the protocol was violated, because their model just couldn't be wrong........ sort of like climate alarmist beliefs in models which nature refuses to bow down to.puma guy wrote:A nurse who cared for Mr. Duncan has tested positive for Ebola. The CDC is already spinning it as a "breach of protocol" but other reports state investigation is ongoing. Some of the links have some advertising and links that I didn't want to post so I'll leave it to the reader to look up info on the situatuon. Bottom line there's no telling how many were exposed by this second person. and so it goes.
Maybe there was a breach of protocol, maybe there wasn't. But since they themselves admit that they don't know exactly what happened, it's a little dishonest to label it the way they have without knowing.
Exactly. They have no idea of what happened , but the MO is to immediately embed the idea that someone erred. I pray this does not portend an outbreak here.The Annoyed Man wrote:They're saying it was a breach of protocol, but they're not identifying the breach........which means that they really don't know what happened. They have a model. If the disease is cooperative with their model, then they feel safe. If the disease doesn't cooperate, then their assumption is that the protocol was violated, because their model just couldn't be wrong........ sort of like climate alarmist beliefs in models which nature refuses to bow down to.puma guy wrote:A nurse who cared for Mr. Duncan has tested positive for Ebola. The CDC is already spinning it as a "breach of protocol" but other reports state investigation is ongoing. Some of the links have some advertising and links that I didn't want to post so I'll leave it to the reader to look up info on the situatuon. Bottom line there's no telling how many were exposed by this second person. and so it goes.
Maybe there was a breach of protocol, maybe there wasn't. But since they themselves admit that they don't know exactly what happened, it's a little dishonest to label it the way they have without knowing.
And unfair to the nurse.The Annoyed Man wrote:
Maybe there was a breach of protocol, maybe there wasn't. But since they themselves admit that they don't know exactly what happened, it's a little dishonest to label it the way they have without knowing.
Can dogs get Ebola?sjfcontrol wrote:Ruh Row... The nurse has a dog.
They can spread it.Dave2 wrote:Can dogs get Ebola?sjfcontrol wrote:Ruh Row... The nurse has a dog.
The rumor is that dogs can carry Ebola symptom free. It is unknown if a human can catch Ebola from a dog. The French euthanized the dog of their health worker with Ebola, to the complaints of the animal rights people. (And others)Dave2 wrote:Can dogs get Ebola?sjfcontrol wrote:Ruh Row... The nurse has a dog.
I posted this on another thread but I guess it doesnt hurt to share it here. The below link is to one of the best articles Ive read on the subject. I hope you all read it and pass it on.talltex wrote: Agree on all points...plus, according to "risk assessment criteria" she was not even on the high risk watch list...her contact was classified as low risk. Despite all the talking heads that have stated with absolute certainty that the virus cannot be transmitted airborne...only by direct contact...they issued a statement that the risk management team had sanitized her car, along with any handrails, doors, knobs and switches she might have come in contact with once she arrived at the hospital. The fact the she drove to the hospital itself was a breach of protocol....how is it that someone involved in the situation isn't aware that they were supposed to call the hospital or County Health Center and they would send an ambulance and specially trained EMT's to pick them up and maintain isolation. I've heard that on every newscast since this started, yet both this woman and the Deputy from Frisco drove themselves, potentially exposing others. How is it that the specially trained personnel such as Dr. Brantley, who have all the specialized hazmat clothing and respirators have still caught it.
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are.
Not arguing, but that contradicts what "they" are telling us...Jim Beaux wrote:SNIP
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.sjfcontrol wrote:Not arguing, but that contradicts what "they" are telling us...Jim Beaux wrote:SNIP
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are.
No it doesn't. Droplets are bodily fluid, and they don't float in the air. They travel out of a sneeze at high velocity, slow down and then drop to the ground.sjfcontrol wrote:Not arguing, but that contradicts what "they" are telling us...Jim Beaux wrote:SNIP
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are.
Ground if one is lucky, countertops, keyboards, monitors, phones, handrails, doorknobs, utensils, shelves, any and all products in a store, just to name a few.baldeagle wrote:No it doesn't. Droplets are bodily fluid, and they don't float in the air. They travel out of a sneeze at high velocity, slow down and then drop to the ground.sjfcontrol wrote:Not arguing, but that contradicts what "they" are telling us...Jim Beaux wrote:SNIP
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are.
According to size, not all water droplets (mist) fall immediately, but may be carried aloft by air currents. Think of room deodorizers or an open bottle of perfume; the scent is a diffusion of molecules carried aloft by air current.Right2Carry wrote:Ground if one is lucky, countertops, keyboards, monitors, phones, handrails, doorknobs, utensils, shelves, any and all products in a store, just to name a few.baldeagle wrote: No it doesn't. Droplets are bodily fluid, and they don't float in the air. They travel out of a sneeze at high velocity, slow down and then drop to the ground.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythb ... hbrush.htmFinding: CONFIRMED
Explanation: Every time you flush a toilet, it releases an aerosol spray of tiny tainted water droplets. So if, like many people, you leave your toothbrush in the vicinity of a toilet, does that mean it's regularly bathed in bits of fecal matter? MythBusters Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage uncovered the dirty truth to this myth by covering a bathroom with 24 toothbrushes, two of which they brushed with each morning — the others they simply rinsed every day for a month.
As experimental controls, the MythBusters kept two untainted toothbrushes in an office far away from the lavatory. At the end of the month-long trial, they sent their toothbrush collection to a microbiologist for bacterial testing.
Astonishingly, all the toothbrushes were speckled with microscopic fecal matter, including the ones that had never seen the inside of a bathroom. The confirmed myth unfortunately proved that there's indeed fecal matter on toothbrushes — and also everywhere else