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Charlies.Contingency wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote: Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

That is an excellent idea! Pushing firearm safety at the school level! Too bad it seems like most schools will expel you for doodling a gun. If we ever did pass "Constitutional Carry," I will demanding that this become implemented in school. They can have my 10yr old to go through Sexual Education and see naked bodies, and talk about sex and give out condoms and lubricant. We should have Gun Education, where they teach firearm safety, and the realities of the dangers, and hand out trigger locks and gun oil.

(Pardon my explicitness, and I may be stretching it, but I did it for humor and and make similarities to create the analogy desired.

Why not talk to your legislator and have it mandated by law?

MeMelYup wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote: Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

That is an excellent idea! Pushing firearm safety at the school level! Too bad it seems like most schools will expel you for doodling a gun. If we ever did pass "Constitutional Carry," I will demanding that this become implemented in school. They can have my 10yr old to go through Sexual Education and see naked bodies, and talk about sex and give out condoms and lubricant. We should have Gun Education, where they teach firearm safety, and the realities of the dangers, and hand out trigger locks and gun oil.

(Pardon my explicitness, and I may be stretching it, but I did it for humor and and make similarities to create the analogy desired.

Why not talk to your legislator and have it mandated by law?

How can I find out how to talk to about issue like this anyway?

MeMelYup wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote: Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

TXBO wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote: Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

That's pretty cool! I don't think it's that way anymore though, not with the way schools are.

I live in Texas and I drive through Oklahoma and Missouri to see my family. The thing that I wish Texas would do is adopt a similar outlook on OC as Oklahoma and Missouri. In those states anyone that has a valid CHL from that state or a recognized state may concealed carry OR open carry. I feel it should just be a "carrying permit." OC is a convenience and sometimes more practical than CC. when I am going through Oklahoma and Missouri i OC. I feel if you have to receive training to carry concealed you are just as qualified to carry openly. Maybe add a little to the CHL class on holsters or even state in the Bill that to open carry you must have a level 2 or level 3 holster. Idk... just brainstorming. bottom line though.. Texas needs to legalize Open carry.

RedRaiderCHL wrote:I live in Texas and I drive through Oklahoma and Missouri to see my family. The thing that I wish Texas would do is adopt a similar outlook on OC as Oklahoma and Missouri. In those states anyone that has a valid CHL from that state or a recognized state may concealed carry OR open carry. I feel it should just be a "carrying permit." OC is a convenience and sometimes more practical than CC. when I am going through Oklahoma and Missouri i OC. I feel if you have to receive training to carry concealed you are just as qualified to carry openly. Maybe add a little to the CHL class on holsters or even state in the Bill that to open carry you must have a level 2 or level 3 holster. Idk... just brainstorming. bottom line though.. Texas needs to legalize Open carry.

We are working on it.

TXBO wrote:
I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

Where in Tennessee did you grow up?

Vol Texan wrote:

TXBO wrote:
I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

Where in Tennessee did you grow up?

Our kids had the Eddie the Eagle NRA classes here in Las Colinas in their school.

Vol Texan wrote:

TXBO wrote:
I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

Where in Tennessee did you grow up?

Mountain City. It's in the upper east corner of the state.

Just noticed your user name. Are you from TN also?

I certainly wish Abbott would come out for the party platform. There is a difference from essentially saying, I won't veto the bill if it happens to land on my desk and pushing for it to be a legislative priority. He likes to ride that political fence a lot.

paxton25 wrote:I certainly wish Abbott would come out for the party platform. There is a difference from essentially saying, I won't veto the bill if it happens to land on my desk and pushing for it to be a legislative priority. He likes to ride that political fence a lot.

I agree that I wish every elected official was required to support the Party Platform, but that's not the case. However, are you aware what Abbott as AG has done for gun owners? He's not just a talking head, he's been in the trenches for gun owners.

Also, he didn't say he wouldn't veto an open-carry bill. He said he would sign it; that's a big difference. In Texas, a Governor can let a bill become law without his signature simply by not vetoing the bill within the time frame for doing so. If a Governor doesn't want to be associated with a law but they don't want the flak from vetoing it. they let it become law without his signature. Signing a bill, and telling everyone they will sign the bill, indicates their support.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

paxton25 wrote:I certainly wish Abbott would come out for the party platform. There is a difference from essentially saying, I won't veto the bill if it happens to land on my desk and pushing for it to be a legislative priority. He likes to ride that political fence a lot.

Are you aware what Abbott as AG has done for gun owners?

Also, he didn't say he wouldn't veto an open-carry bill. He said he would sign it; that's a big difference. In Texas, a Governor can let a bill become law without his signature simply by not vetoing the bill within the time frame for doing so. If a Governor doesn't want to be associated with a law but they don't want the flak from vetoing it. they let it become law without his signature. Signing a bill, and telling everyone they will sign the bill, indicates their support.

Chas.

I forgot that there was a third option to be neutral.

Also Paxton25, where did he say, "I won't veto the bill if it happens to land on my desk"?

That wasn't a quote from him, and I didn't claim it was. Basically by saying I will sign a bill if it comes across my desk he is saying if someone else does the work to get it to him he won't fight it. That's different from actually going out there and stumping for it. He isn't throwing his full support behind the bill. If he was he would be saying something more encouraging like, "I urge the legislature to pass a bill" I have listened to virtually everything he has said on this issue and I have never heard him say he wants the legislature to pass the bill, only that if it comes across his desk he will sign it.

paxton25 wrote:That wasn't a quote from him, and I didn't claim it was. Basically by saying I will sign a bill if it comes across my desk he is saying if someone else does the work to get it to him he won't fight it. That's different from actually going out there and stumping for it. He isn't throwing his full support behind the bill. If he was he would be saying something more encouraging like, "I urge the legislature to pass a bill" I have listened to virtually everything he has said on this issue and I have never heard him say he wants the legislature to pass the bill, only that if it comes across his desk he will sign it.

Your argument may be a touch pedantic. I'm not sure you could find a more staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment.

It's not an observation on his personal beliefs, but in several issues I have seen him be somewhat of a fence sitter or going along to get along and with his parsing of his statements about OC it is cause for concern in my view.