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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:26 pm
by RoyGBiv
Jaguar wrote:This flight has been gone so long without any evidence of where it is that even if they recover debris the actual resting place on the bottom could be hundreds of miles away with little hope of finding the black boxes.
If ocean currents average ~3kts and debris is discovered 14 days after the crash, that's 3 x 24 x 14 = 1,008 Nautical miles = 1,160 statute miles.
Needle in a hay
field.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:13 pm
by philip964
We need our subs in the area listening.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:25 pm
by jmra
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/21 ... -accident/
"MH370: 54 minutes of cockpit communications hint event that caused jet to disappear was no accident"
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:50 pm
by Dave2
philip964 wrote:We need our subs in the area listening.
I'd be slightly surprised if we didn't have a few over there anyway.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:59 pm
by philip964
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eared.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Woman on another plane saw plane shaped object in water near Andaman Islands day of disappearance, filed a police report more than a week ago.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:45 am
by jmra
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:08 am
by Beiruty
I am shocked by the low quality of the released satellite images. Google has 1"/pixel resolution satellite images for its campus. You can ID familiar persons and read License plates if they lay flat on the ground. It is a joke that China and AU has so useless satellite imagery.
Classified US Satellite can for sure have not only still imagery with 1"ppx resolution but live 30fps of the same quality.
US is silent, because they know that the plane is not in the ocean. Why the pilots/hijackers have the intention to fly south?
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:32 am
by howdy
I wonder what the end game plan is. IF they find debris associated with the flight, then the real job/cost starts. WHO is going to do this and pay for it. It took 2 years to find the Air France voice and flight recorders. I believe France paid for that because it was one of their aircraft. Do we think Malaysia has the money, assets and will to devote to finding the crash site. I think not. That will leave the job to the good old United States. Maybe China would do it. They had the most citizens on board.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:35 am
by WildBill
howdy wrote:I wonder what the end game plan is. IF they find debris associated with the flight, then the real job/cost starts. WHO is going to do this and pay for it. It took 2 years to find the Air France voice and flight recorders. I believe France paid for that because it was one of their aircraft. Do we think Malaysia has the money, assets and will to devote to finding the crash site. I think not. That will leave the job to the good old United States. Maybe China would do it. They had the most citizens on board.
I think in Malaysia's case it is the lack of desire rather than having enough money and assets.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:36 am
by jmra
howdy wrote:I wonder what the end game plan is. IF they find debris associated with the flight, then the real job/cost starts. WHO is going to do this and pay for it. It took 2 years to find the Air France voice and flight recorders. I believe France paid for that because it was one of their aircraft. Do we think Malaysia has the money, assets and will to devote to finding the crash site. I think not. That will leave the job to the good old United States. Maybe China would do it. They had the most citizens on board.
Not our job. It is in our interest to determine if the aircraft crashed or if it was hijacked.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:44 am
by Beiruty
Here is a satellite image to show what 5-10yrs technology can do:

Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:06 pm
by mamabearCali
jmra wrote:howdy wrote:I wonder what the end game plan is. IF they find debris associated with the flight, then the real job/cost starts. WHO is going to do this and pay for it. It took 2 years to find the Air France voice and flight recorders. I believe France paid for that because it was one of their aircraft. Do we think Malaysia has the money, assets and will to devote to finding the crash site. I think not. That will leave the job to the good old United States. Maybe China would do it. They had the most citizens on board.
Not our job. It is in our interest to determine if the aircraft crashed or if it was hijacked.
Precisely. Once we know whether it crashed or was highjacked we can take it from there. If the poor plane simply crashed, then it is terrible, but China and Malaysia can deal with the fallout as it was mostly Chinese citizens and a Malaysian aircraft. If it was high-jacked and is still in usuable condition then we have a very serious problem that I think would merit us staying in the loop and working on it.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:37 pm
by philip964
I know the families are hoping the people are alive. If we imagine for a second they are alive. Think of the logistics of detaining 250 people for two weeks. No one escapes, uses their cell phone. None of your compatriots tells anyone where they are being kept. Deserted island somewhere? If it was Pakistan, or some place like that they would have been discovered already.
Time will tell.
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:24 pm
by strider67
Heard one expert speculate that other countries probably DO have more satellite pictures but choose not to share them. Reason being is that may not want to show the world their satellite capabilities...or lack thereof. Makes sense, if true.
I pray for those aboard that were innocent, as no one is any closer than they were two weeks ago to finding this plane...
Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:31 pm
by WildBill
strider67 wrote:Heard one expert speculate that other countries probably DO have more satellite pictures but choose not to share them. Reason being is that may not want to show the world their satellite capabilities...or lack thereof. Makes sense, if true.
I pray for those aboard that were innocent, as no one is any closer than they were two weeks ago to finding this plane...

Good intelligence and security policy doesn't include exposing their capabilities.