Nevada Rancher Standoff

[EEllis]

I get it now. Sam Houston and his fellow Texians should have complied with Mexican law and court rulings instead of making trouble.

I wouldn't say so. In fact when the settlers started moving in Mexico was a republic. Santa Anna overturned the Govt and became a dictator so any social contract was broken, IMHO. If BO does the same you can bet I wouldn't be waiting for what a court told me. But this is not that.

Please be aware that dictators do not usually come out and say they are becoming that. It is much more quiet and insidious. Our social contract with the govt is the constitution BO has broken that in so many ways and so many times it is would be a joke if it was not deadly serious. Right now it is simply a question of how far we the people will let him go. How much is our president allowed to break the social contract before it is all lost. I hope it will be possible to do this by non violent representative means. It is a slim chance, but the alternative is as horrible as a bypass or chemotherapy so I keep hoping it is still possible. I think the next two years will be very telling.

Well in the case we were talking about Santa Anna dissolved the congress and got rid of their constitution establishing a military dictatorship. Nothing sneaky or insidious about it. He was very blatant. 11 Mexican States rebelled including Texas. Texas was the only state to retain their independence.

[RoyGBiv]

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/04/ ... a-rancher/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Doesn’t it strike anyone as strange that the U.S. Senate Majority Leader is so obsessed with a small rancher who hasn’t paid grazing fees? Does New York Senator Chuck Schumer get involved publicly when a New York company is late paying rent to the U.S. government?

And from there a linked article...

http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-c ... -tortoise/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Throughout the housing boom in the 2000s, the Bureau was earning enough to fund the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center (DTCC) in southern Las Vegas, a habitat “created in 1991 to house wild desert tortoises removed from the path of development and to use those tortoises to aid recovery of the species.” Its operating budget was about $1 million per year.

But the recession that followed dwindled the number of developers, and in turn funds for the DTCC.

So, facing the prospect of shutting their doors, the DTCC began releasing healthier turtles into the wild, and euthanizing some of the sick ones.

Appears to be... Hypocrisy, obfuscation, abusive political force on individual Americans so Harry Reid and his ilk could enrich themselves.

No surprise, unfortunately.

[puma guy]

I'll explain it to you. " Well it isn't stealing when you go to court and get a judgement saying you can take the cattle." with out the little "now is it?" question at the end. Instead of attempting to be clever and cute and provocative perhaps you could work on your spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure.

And then you do what you accused me of? I still think it was a reasonable reply to your comment. By the way if I stuttered would you make fun of me also? In this case it actually is the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia

You conveniently left out the question you asked and I answered.

That isn't a poke. How else can you say it. It might be all kind of other things but it just is not stealing.

I am getting dizzy from your spinning. As for making fun of you if you stuttered. No I would not, but I'd be aware of that affliction. I have no way of knowing you suffer from impaired handwriting, so I'll let any readers decide if I made fun of you. I suffer from RSD, but I take no offense when I hit the wrong key and someone makes light of humorous errors that may result.

[mamabearCali]

I get it now. Sam Houston and his fellow Texians should have complied with Mexican law and court rulings instead of making trouble.

I wouldn't say so. In fact when the settlers started moving in Mexico was a republic. Santa Anna overturned the Govt and became a dictator so any social contract was broken, IMHO. If BO does the same you can bet I wouldn't be waiting for what a court told me. But this is not that.

Please be aware that dictators do not usually come out and say they are becoming that. It is much more quiet and insidious. Our social contract with the govt is the constitution BO has broken that in so many ways and so many times it is would be a joke if it was not deadly serious. Right now it is simply a question of how far we the people will let him go. How much is our president allowed to break the social contract before it is all lost. I hope it will be possible to do this by non violent representative means. It is a slim chance, but the alternative is as horrible as a bypass or chemotherapy so I keep hoping it is still possible. I think the next two years will be very telling.

Well in the case we were talking about Santa Anna dissolved the congress and got rid of their constitution establishing a military dictatorship. Nothing sneaky or insidious about it. He was very blatant. 11 Mexican States rebelled including Texas. Texas was the only state to retain their independence.

If you are waiting for that to happen (dissolution of the legislature) before you decide that the time is right to say enough. You will have been disarmed, defanged, and in cuffs in a " reeducation camp" waiting for your time to be disposed of. Our president has not had the bother of disbanding congress. He has his firewall of the senate who is under control of Reid so he knows he will never be called to account. He simply does as he wills through executive orders and has not had the bother of dissolving congress and upsetting the plebes, he has simply made them for the most part impotent. So we can go on electing whoever we want and it will not matter unless there are 20 Mike Lee's, 10 Rand Pauls, and 25 Ted Cruzes in the Senate.

I am not saying "armed revolt now!" What I am saying is that a dictator needs not dissolve the legislature if he has rendered them inert. I am saying we are in serious trouble and that our time to fix this mess peaceably is rapidly running out, not because Americans are looking for revolution but because our govt is looking to put us all in chains all sanctioned as under the 'rule of law.'

[mojo84]

Obama has already made the legislative branch irrelevant and impotent. He doesn't need to disband them.

But that's ok as it's the government doing it and the courts are allowing it. That makes it alright.


[The second paragraph is sarcasm for those of you that struggle detecting is and take everything too seriously and literal.]

[EEllis]

I'll explain it to you. " Well it isn't stealing when you go to court and get a judgement saying you can take the cattle." with out the little "now is it?" question at the end. Instead of attempting to be clever and cute and provocative perhaps you could work on your spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure.

And then you do what you accused me of? I still think it was a reasonable reply to your comment. By the way if I stuttered would you make fun of me also? In this case it actually is the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia

You conveniently left out the question you asked and I answered.

That isn't a poke. How else can you say it. It might be all kind of other things but it just is not stealing.

I am getting dizzy from your spinning. As for making fun of you if you stuttered. No I would not, but I'd be aware of that affliction. I have no way of knowing you suffer from impaired handwriting, so I'll let any readers decide if I made fun of you. I suffer from RSD, but I take no offense when I hit the wrong key and someone makes light of humorous errors that may result.

There is no spinning. You told my why you found it insulting then insulted me. I disagreed and pointed out your insult to me, the " perhaps you could work on your spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure" comment. How is that spinning? And for the record dysgraphia is not just about "bad handwriting".

[VMI77]

if they take his ranch, my prediction is there will be an oil field or a solar field on the land within 10 years.

No, solar fields go up pretty fast...more like 2-3 years.

[VMI77]

I am not saying "armed revolt now!" What I am saying is that a dictator needs not dissolve the legislature if he has rendered them inert. I am saying we are in serious trouble and that our time to fix this mess peaceably is rapidly running out, not because Americans are looking for revolution but because our govt is looking to put us all in chains all sanctioned as under the 'rule of law.'

I disagree....the time for a peaceful fix isn't running out: it ran out several years ago.

Anyway, grazing fees are just a pretext here. This action is all by and for Harry Reid who is probably the most corrupt sociopath in the Senate. He and his family run the entire state and do whatever they want. Everyone in Congress is going to support Reid because they know if Reid goes down they could go down too, since there are few of any of them without dirty hands.

[Tic Tac]

Claire Wolfe called it "that awkward stage" but it seems to get less awkward with each passing year this century.

[mamabearCali]

I am not saying "armed revolt now!" What I am saying is that a dictator needs not dissolve the legislature if he has rendered them inert. I am saying we are in serious trouble and that our time to fix this mess peaceably is rapidly running out, not because Americans are looking for revolution but because our govt is looking to put us all in chains all sanctioned as under the 'rule of law.'

I disagree....the time for a peaceful fix isn't running out: it ran out several years ago.

Anyway, grazing fees are just a pretext here. This action is all by and for Harry Reid who is probably the most corrupt sociopath in the Senate. He and his family run the entire state and do whatever they want. Everyone in Congress is going to support Reid because they know if Reid goes down they could go down too, since there are few of any of them without dirty hands.

Solutions? We do not have a praetorian guard to take out an American Caligula (hyperbolic at little). How oh how do we fix the debacle that has let this fester and permitted this particular injustice the past 20 years? How do we peel back the tentacles of a government growing more massive, corrupt, and tyrannical every day?

[VMI77]

I am not saying "armed revolt now!" What I am saying is that a dictator needs not dissolve the legislature if he has rendered them inert. I am saying we are in serious trouble and that our time to fix this mess peaceably is rapidly running out, not because Americans are looking for revolution but because our govt is looking to put us all in chains all sanctioned as under the 'rule of law.'

I disagree....the time for a peaceful fix isn't running out: it ran out several years ago.

Anyway, grazing fees are just a pretext here. This action is all by and for Harry Reid who is probably the most corrupt sociopath in the Senate. He and his family run the entire state and do whatever they want. Everyone in Congress is going to support Reid because they know if Reid goes down they could go down too, since there are few of any of them without dirty hands.

Solutions? We do not have a praetorian guard to take out an American Caligula (hyperbolic at little). How oh how do we fix the debacle that has let this fester and permitted this particular injustice the past 20 years? How do we peel back the tentacles of a government growing more massive, corrupt, and tyrannical every day?

We don't. I try not to be pessimistic but I don't think there is any peaceful way out. My guess is that the inevitable economic collapse will lead to great violence and revolt. Then it will be a matter of who prevails. But the most likely outcome of revolution is not peace and freedom (the American Revolution was unique) but violence and tyranny.

BTW, the BLM is an illegal entity. Nowhere in the Constitution is such an entity authorized.

[VMI77]

More on the criminal psychopath Harry Reid: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/was ... OE=NEWISVA

•The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.

•In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

•After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown's company sold the land in 2004 to other developers and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling the senator's investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

Reid belongs in prison, not the Senate, but then, now that we've become a banana republic I guess he fits right in.

[puma guy]

I'll explain it to you. " Well it isn't stealing when you go to court and get a judgement saying you can take the cattle." with out the little "now is it?" question at the end. Instead of attempting to be clever and cute and provocative perhaps you could work on your spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure.

And then you do what you accused me of? I still think it was a reasonable reply to your comment. By the way if I stuttered would you make fun of me also? In this case it actually is the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia

You conveniently left out the question you asked and I answered.

That isn't a poke. How else can you say it. It might be all kind of other things but it just is not stealing.

I am getting dizzy from your spinning. As for making fun of you if you stuttered. No I would not, but I'd be aware of that affliction. I have no way of knowing you suffer from impaired handwriting, so I'll let any readers decide if I made fun of you. I suffer from RSD, but I take no offense when I hit the wrong key and someone makes light of humorous errors that may result.

There is no spinning. You told my why you found it insulting then insulted me. I disagreed and pointed out your insult to me, the " perhaps you could work on your spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure" comment. How is that spinning? And for the record dysgraphia is not just about "bad handwriting".

as I stated I'll leave it to the other readers to decide for themselves. I didn't say bad handwriting. The term I used is the definition from the website you posted.

The word dysgraphia comes from the Greek words dys meaning "impaired" and graphia meaning "writing by hand"

Dysgraphia is a deficiency in the ability to write, primarily in terms of handwriting, but also in terms of coherence.

here's a link for mine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_re ... n_syndrome

[RoyGBiv]

Claire Wolfe

I was looking for something interesting to read. Thanks!

[Cedar Park Dad]

One way the BLM could fix this: revoke all grazing rights on US property.