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Richbirdhunter wrote:I think Walmart asking for CHL is just an urban legend

“We do try to ensure that people have a licensed firearm,” said Wal-Mart spokesman Brian Nick. “We are giving direction to our store employees to ask for a license as our management sees appropriate.”

Papa_Tiger wrote:
Mark Twain hit the nail on the head: “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

mojo84 wrote:I have been thinking a lot about this and went back and read the article. I find it it interesting how it has provided another topic for us bicker with one another about. Here are a couple observations for us all to consider.

1. The article was published on Bloomberg's website.

2. I think most if not all have overlooked a key part, in bold below, of the quote from Wal-Mart's management.

“We do try to ensure that people have a licensed firearm,” said Wal-Mart spokesman Brian Nick. “We are giving direction to our store employees to ask for a license as our management sees appropriate.”

I believe this is just another instance of the anti-gun crowd throwing something out there to mislead people and we end up getting all riled up and start bickering amongst ourselves publicly again. They know we will turn on one another at a drop of a hat and they use that to their advantage.

Oldgringo wrote:... What was it that Pogo said about locating the enemy?

oljames3 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:... What was it that Pogo said about locating the enemy?

"We have met the enemy and he is us."
http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/04/ ... is-us.html

Hello Mojo84,
 
Under Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code, TABC is required to begin permit/license cancellation proceedings if it is discovered an unlicensed handgun was brought onto the premises of a licensed/permitted business. This being the case, retailers should make arrangements to verify the License to Carry of anyone who possesses a handgun on their premises. Ultimately, how each business chooses to fulfil this requirement is up to them, but TABC is required by law to begin cancellation proceedings if a violation is found.

It is my understanding a licensee that has a permit to sell alcohol for off premise consumption can be held responsible for knowingly allowing someone to carry an unlicensed firearm into their premises. 
 
Now that open carry has passed, how will TABC respond if someone is openly carrying a firearm without a proper license in the premise of a licensee that sells alcohol for off premise consumption? Will the alcohol  licensee still be subjected to penalty as they were previously? Do they have an obligation to ensure the people that are carrying openly are properly licensed to carry? Does the new open carry law supersede the TABC rules regarding unlicensed carry? An example is Wal-Mart is asking some open carriers of handgun to show them their License to Carry a handgun. Is this action appropriate and necessary?
 
Your feedback at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thank you,

mojo84 wrote:For those of you that think it is a copout, excuse or up to the TABC agent's attitude or mood, here is the response to my direct email inquiry to TABC. I hope you find this post edifying.

Hello Mojo84,
 
Under Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code, TABC is required to begin permit/license cancellation proceedings if it is discovered an unlicensed handgun was brought onto the premises of a licensed/permitted business. This being the case, retailers should make arrangements to verify the License to Carry of anyone who possesses a handgun on their premises. Ultimately, how each business chooses to fulfil this requirement is up to them, but TABC is required by law to begin cancellation proceedings if a violation is found.

Notice it says they are required to begin permit/license cancellation proceedings if it is discovered and unlicensed handgun was brought into the premises.

It also says they do not care how one goes about such verification.

Here is my original email inquiry.

It is my understanding a licensee that has a permit to sell alcohol for off premise consumption can be held responsible for knowingly allowing someone to carry an unlicensed firearm into their premises. 
 
Now that open carry has passed, how will TABC respond if someone is openly carrying a firearm without a proper license in the premise of a licensee that sells alcohol for off premise consumption? Will the alcohol  licensee still be subjected to penalty as they were previously? Do they have an obligation to ensure the people that are carrying openly are properly licensed to carry? Does the new open carry law supersede the TABC rules regarding unlicensed carry? An example is Wal-Mart is asking some open carriers of handgun to show them their License to Carry a handgun. Is this action appropriate and necessary?
 
Your feedback at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thank you,

I maintain, until the TABC rules are changed, the onus is on the retailer. It doesn't matter if mom and pop or other retailers understand this or not.

Based on this, it seems the TABC is providing an incentive for alcohol retailers to put up 30.07 and 30.06 signs.