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LSUTiger wrote:Here's Everything You Need To Know About Cruz's 'Vote Your Conscience' Speech

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The Trump Campaign knew Cruz was not going to endorse Trump, but they expected a speech to rally voters against Hillary. Trump's people didn't see the speech until two hours before Cruz spoke, but Trump allowed him to speak anyway. As Skiprr said in an earlier post, that speaks volumes about Trump.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

twomillenium wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

LSUTiger wrote:Does anybody really think that Ted Cruz's speech is gonna cost Trump the election? People are saying that even the VP picks are irrelevant. I agree. The only thing that matters is Trump vs Clinton. They only thing that might win or lose the election for Trump is his own words. That's the only thing that really matters or anyone will remember when they go to the voting booth.

I agree with you to an extent, but the "Cruz factor" that concern's me is his supporters staying home, or not voting in the Presidential election. Look at the stunt they tried to pull off at the Rules Committee meeting and on the floor of the Convention. At least some walked out during or at the end of Cruz's speech.

In my opinion, it's not so much that Cruz gave aid to the enemy, but his failure to rally the troops to defeat Hillary.

Chas.

Sen. Cruz did rally the troops! He told everyone including his supporters to VOTE your heart. Anyone who thinks that voting your heart in Nov. might be a vote for Clinton, was not going to vote for the Republican nominee. No matter who it was.

When your Party has nominated a candidate and you say to "vote your heart/conscience" rather than "vote for ______________________," you are not rallying the troops. You are sending quite a different message.

Chas.

I respect your right to believe that. I believe the boo's were orchestrated and some folks are not for sale.

Ford didn't attack Reagan's family, despite a very contentious campaign. At his core Ford was an honorable, decent man, and RR knew that.

Trump would no more respect Cruz for endorsing him than he would any other quisling.

Trump has no principles or core conservative beliefs to clothe himself in. He will be Jesse Ventura on a national stage. Policy determined by whatever happens to land on a microphone at any given moment. Government as entertainment. Farce or a tragedy to be determined later.

Yes, many new voters participated in the primaries. Huzzah. If you think a man with no principles will deliver on campaign soundbites, I've got a casino to sell you.

Still, he's no Hillary.

Isn't that comforting?

I started this thread, now let me try to end it without actually locking it. Many of us have given our opinions about this issue, but Cruz's actions are now history, albeit recent history. The job now is to do everything we can to get Trump elected and Hillary to the political retirement home.

Join the NRA if you are not already a Member. Donate to the NRA/ILA. Talk to your friends and family and get them involved. As I said in a prior post, 2020 is not merely four years away, it's four years and four U.S. Supreme Court Justices down the road. If Hillary wins, it won't matter if Republicans sweep the House, Senate and Presidential elections in 2020, because a 6/3 liberal majority will control the SCOTUS for an entire generation.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: Cruz's failure wasn't the lack of stating "I endorse Trump," it was what he said about the voting booth. Cruz said to go down the ballot and vote for people individually. (Message: Don't vote straight Republican ticket.] Then he said to "vote your conscience." Overall his speech was great, but it was the ending I have discussed that drew boos so loud his final words could hardly be heard.

I don't believe anyone should vote straight ticket either, and that is a message I can support.

I think Newt said something about Cruz saying vote your conscience, and that there's only one conscience choice you can make to keep Hillary out of the white house, which I thought was a good message.
The rest of Trump's camp could have said something similar, and actually used Cruz's message to help unify the party, but instead Trump went on to say "Ted Cruz booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal"
And his son "The best unity I saw was everyone booing Cruz offstage."

Yeah, that really helps bring everyone together. Instead of putting out good, positive vibes and unity, Team Trump just slams someone who is not even in the running, who didn't say anything negative about their candidate. Cruz also stated yesterday that people should not write in his name and that he is not a candidate in this race.

LSUTiger wrote:Two things that I am certain of after Cruz's speach at the RNC:

1. I am voting Trump in 2016.
2. I am voting Cruz in 2020, RNC officials believe he is going to run in 2020 whether or not there is a Trump presidency. Right now I believe he will and I support it.

I was very much in Cruz's corner right up until the last month or so of his campaign. Cruz is not the man I thought he was. He's lost my support forever.

twomillenium wrote: I respect your right to believe that. I believe the boo's were orchestrated and some folks are not for sale.

If Trump is smart, in his general speech.
He would say, the primaries are over. I am now a nominee for a President of all US citizens, regardless of their skin color, creed, ethnicity or sexual orientation. One for all and all for one (USA, that is, not Trump).
I am having tough time promoting Trump among my circles.
Note: I just learned that my "friends" are being pushed to get their LTCs due the extreme rhetoric against minorities.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

LSUTiger wrote:Here's Everything You Need To Know About Cruz's 'Vote Your Conscience' Speech

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7663/here ... benshapiro

The Trump Campaign knew Cruz was not going to endorse Trump, but they expected a speech to rally voters against Hillary. Trump's people didn't see the speech until two hours before Cruz spoke, but Trump allowed him to speak anyway. As Skiprr said in an earlier post, that speaks volumes about Trump.

Chas.

I think both are making calculated moves, taking calculated risks, some for the right reasons (Cruz) and some for the wrong reasons (Trump). I think Trump didn't really have a choice but to let Cruz speak at the RNC. It would have looked very bad on him not to. I think game theory 101 was at play here. I know what my rival will do, ho do I use it to my advantage? At this level, I don't think any of this didn't just happen.

I have to let him speak, and he will not endorse me. How can I make him look bad or make it work to my advantage? In this case, it's personal, so look bad was really the only option he had.

I think Trump orchestrating boos to attempt to make Cruz look bad speaks volumes about Trump.

I think sticking to his principles, the right principles, speaks volumes about Cruz.

Cruz was a tremendous disappointment last night.

LSUTiger wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

LSUTiger wrote:Here's Everything You Need To Know About Cruz's 'Vote Your Conscience' Speech

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7663/here ... benshapiro

The Trump Campaign knew Cruz was not going to endorse Trump, but they expected a speech to rally voters against Hillary. Trump's people didn't see the speech until two hours before Cruz spoke, but Trump allowed him to speak anyway. As Skiprr said in an earlier post, that speaks volumes about Trump.

Chas.

I think both are making calculated moves, taking calculated risks, some for the right reasons (Cruz) and some for the wrong reasons (Trump). I think Trump didn't really have a choice but to let Cruz speak at the RNC. I would have looked very bad on him not to. I think game theory 101 was at play here. I know what my rival will do, ho do I use it to my advantage? At this level, I don't think any of this didn't just happen.

I have to let him speak, and he will not endorse me. How can I make him look bad or make it work to my advantage? In this case, it's personal, so look bad was really the only option he had.

I think Trump orchestrating boos to attempt to make Cruz look bad speaks volumes about Trump.

I think sticking to his principles, the right principles, speaks volumes about Cruz.

If Cruz ""stuck to his principles", then those principles include dishonesty. I don't agree with you that this is a good or "right" principle. I do agree that it speaks volumes about Cruz.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I started this thread, now let me try to end it without actually locking it. Many of us have given our opinions about this issue, but Cruz's actions are now history, albeit recent history. The job now is to do everything we can to get Trump elected and Hillary to the political retirement home.

Join the NRA if you are not already a Member. Donate to the NRA/ILA. Talk to your friends and family and get them involved. As I said in a prior post, 2020 is not merely four years away, it's four years and four U.S. Supreme Court Justices down the road. If Hillary wins, it won't matter if Republicans sweep the House, Senate and Presidential elections in 2020, because a 6/3 liberal majority will control the SCOTUS for an entire generation.

Chas.

Now that my dear friend is something I wholeheartedly agree with.

This keeps going on and on. Trump didn't have to orchestrate anything to make Cruz look bad. Cruz committed suicide on that stage. Politics is a blood-sport and I am really bothered by the failure of those not honoring their pledge. Kasich and Cruz. Sore losers. Bush family is in the same same ballpark. I always felt that George was honorable for not downplaying Obama at least in the first few years but he abandoned his role as a former president by not at least speaking his mind after that. Yes, we need someone outside of politics to set things right again and I hope Trump is that person.

Okay, I guess this thread isn't going to die a natural death for a while.

Many Forum Members have repeatedly and correctly stated that, if elected officials run and win as Republicans, then they are honor-bound to support the Party's Platform. These elected officials are rightfully condemned for failing to do so.

Millions of Republicans voted in primaries around the country. Their choice, by record margins, was Donald Trump. If Cruz or anyone else wants to campaign under the Republican banner, then respect the will of those millions of Republicans and support the Party's Candidate. If you want the benefits of the Party, then support the people who make up the Party and respect their decision. Otherwise, leave the Party and run as an independent.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Join the NRA if you are not already a Member. Donate to the NRA/ILA. Talk to your friends and family and get them involved. As I said in a prior post, 2020 is not merely four years away, it's four years and four U.S. Supreme Court Justices down the road. If Hillary wins, it won't matter if Republicans sweep the House, Senate and Presidential elections in 2020, because a 6/3 liberal majority will control the SCOTUS for an entire generation.

Chas.

This is where we are at folks. I personally am not happy about it, but this is where we are at.