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They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

By airplane?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

By airplane?

They didn't say, but I presume by private jet, like they moved the other HC worker. Surely they wouldn't try moving her by ambulance...

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

Just what is the point of repeatedly hauling these people all over the country, opening up new locations to potential contamination? AFAIK, there's no large, immovable piece of equipment other than an isolation ward that is useful in treating Ebola, so why can't whatever they need be brought to them?

If the plane crashes, how long will it be before first responders know that one of the mangled bodies they just bagged up was Ebola positive? If more mistakes are made in PPE protocols, why not limit them to the people and places that have already been at risk?

I could see taking them directly to one of the level IV wards as soon as the diagnosis is confirmed, but other than that, there's no good reason to contaminate planes and other equipment when everything needed can be loaded up and hauled around much more easily and safely than an infectious patient.

KD5NRH wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

Just what is the point of repeatedly hauling these people all over the country, opening up new locations to potential contamination? AFAIK, there's no large, immovable piece of equipment other than an isolation ward that is useful in treating Ebola, so why can't whatever they need be brought to them?

If the plane crashes, how long will it be before first responders know that one of the mangled bodies they just bagged up was Ebola positive? If more mistakes are made in PPE protocols, why not limit them to the people and places that have already been at risk?

I could see taking them directly to one of the level IV wards as soon as the diagnosis is confirmed, but other than that, there's no good reason to contaminate planes and other equipment when everything needed can be loaded up and hauled around much more easily and safely than an infectious patient.

They said something about personnel issues at the hospital here. Sounds to me like the nursing staff was revolting.

sjfcontrol wrote:They said something about personnel issues at the hospital here. Sounds to me like the nursing staff was revolting.

Some of them are, but you generally can't see them inside the PPE, so it's not that bad.

Still, better to fly in nice, healthy nurses than transport an infectious pt.

Keith B wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Clipboard Man

A supervisor with Phoenix Air escorted the second nurse onto the flight to Atlanta. He was not in Hazmat gear.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -them.html

Picture at link.

As long as he had no direct contact with her, then there should be no risk. He would not be able to fly in a hazmat suit anyway.

That is what we are being told. I don't believe it. If it is true why clean the plane? Why monitor the passengers?

Does not make sense.

anygunanywhere wrote:

Keith B wrote:As long as he had no direct contact with her, then there should be no risk. He would not be able to fly in a hazmat suit anyway.

That is what we are being told. I don't believe it. If it is true why clean the plane? Why monitor the passengers?
Does not make sense.

Why was he, apparently, directing them to clean the gurney when he was just inches from it if there's no risk? As pointed out in the comments, clipboard guy and at least one of the suited up ones touched each other on the arms and shoulders a couple times to get each other's attention, and everybody used the handrail to get on the plane.

If the problem is peripheral vision, (muffled hearing isn't a valid argument on the tarmac of a major airport, as evidenced by having to touch each other to get attention) then either put him in a Chemturion with a wraparound faceplate, or at least put the Tyvek hooded coverall and some gloves on him so only his face is exposed.

As for not flying in a hazmat suit, none of them were wearing positive pressure suits, and only one even appeared to be wearing a serious filtration rig.

sjfcontrol wrote:They said something about personnel issues at the hospital here. Sounds to me like the nursing staff was revolting.

Another connection of mine intimated that when the death toll among healthcare workers hits a predetermined number which has already being privately discussed, nurses at some DFW area hospitals are going to stop coming to work.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:They said something about personnel issues at the hospital here. Sounds to me like the nursing staff was revolting.

Another connection of mine intimated that when the death toll among healthcare workers hits a predetermined number which has already being privately discussed, nurses at some DFW area hospitals are going to stop coming to work.

That's scarey, but I dont blame them.

Ive been a hospital patient & found that nurses are unique people who are dedicated to their patients. The doctors show up every once in a while, but it's the nurses that make it happen. If they consider walking away from their patients, then things are bad.

It really burns me up that they did not give the nurses the proper equipment to care for their patient. That is 100% unacceptable. There is no reason whatsoever for them to be working with inadequate equipment.

CDC.....why do we have an agency like you that I pay taxes for if not for these situation to get the proper equipment in! Get your crayolas together and get to it! You had to know this ws going to happen. Get the proper equipment to the proper people like yesterday!

mamabearCali wrote:It really burns me up that they did not give the nurses the proper equipment to care for their patient. That is 100% unacceptable. There is no reason whatsoever for them to be working with inadequate equipment.

CDC.....why do we have an agency like you that I pay taxes for if not for these situation to get the proper equipment in! Get your crayolas together and get to it! You had to know this ws going to happen. Get the proper equipment to the proper people like yesterday!

And, you know, if they didn't have the proper protective gear, they sure as heck weren't training with the proper protective gear, either. Presumably, the gear could have been shipped overnight (or couriered even faster). But they still wouldn't know what to do with it.

mamabearCali wrote:It really burns me up that they did not give the nurses the proper equipment to care for their patient. That is 100% unacceptable. There is no reason whatsoever for them to be working with inadequate equipment.

CDC.....why do we have an agency like you that I pay taxes for if not for these situation to get the proper equipment in! Get your crayolas together and get to it! You had to know this ws going to happen. Get the proper equipment to the proper people like yesterday!

The CDC isn't a supply house. They should provide solid info, standards,protocols etc... Sadly failed. The Hospital should be making sure they have trained and supplied staff and equipment, they failed also. Lets give credit were credit is due.

Well it is confirmed kill. Everyone from the hospital to the CDC messed up in such and egregious fashion that an easily contained problem now could be a nationwide major issue. How many will die for their incompetence?

I'd say fire the lot of them, their stupidity deserves that at minimum. But then what.....we need someone at the top and in the all the positions beneath that is competent and knows what they are doing. Sadly I doubt we would get that.....likely we would just get another community organizer.

mamabearCali wrote:Well it is confirmed kill. Everyone from the hospital to the CDC messed up in such and egregious fashion that an easily contained problem now could be a nationwide major issue. How many will die for their incompetence?

I'd say fire the lot of them, their stupidity deserves that at minimum. But then what.....we need someone at the top and in the all the positions beneath that is competent and knows what they are doing. Sadly I doubt we would get that.....likely we would just get another community organizer.

Have you ever know Obama to fire anybody for incompetence? Not even Kathleen "Billion-Dollar-Website" Sibelius, for pity's sake!