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Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:12 pm
by Cedar Park Dad
mojo84 wrote:
Nothing meant as a disrespect toward Charles or any other lawyer on the forum but I think the fewer attorneys in the country would be a good thing. If he didn't want to be a lawyer, maybe another degree choice was in order. Choosing to pursue a law degree just because it was "free" may have not been the best basis to base a career decision.
JMHO no offense intended.
Your argument is not a new one. However switching careers pre-law school can be difficult. There's no way I could have switched from what I took in undergrad to the intensive math classes my boy is taking, and I could run rings around most of my law school classmates in that area.
"First we kill all the lawyers."
- Shakespeare.
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:22 pm
by mojo84
Cedar Park Dad wrote:mojo84 wrote:
Nothing meant as a disrespect toward Charles or any other lawyer on the forum but I think the fewer attorneys in the country would be a good thing. If he didn't want to be a lawyer, maybe another degree choice was in order. Choosing to pursue a law degree just because it was "free" may have not been the best basis to base a career decision.
JMHO no offense intended.
Your argument is not a new one. However switching careers pre-law school can be difficult. There's no way I could have switched from what I took in undergrad to the intensive math classes my boy is taking, and I could run rings around most of my law school classmates in that area.
"First we kill all the lawyers."
- Shakespeare.
There are many options. I know JD's that work in many industries.
I'm done with this. It has gotten way off topic and has become a useless argumentative exchange.
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:29 pm
by Cedar Park Dad
There are many options. I know JD's that work in many industries.
Agreed, including moi.
But yes back to topic.
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:33 pm
by VMI77
mojo84 wrote:VMI77 wrote:mojo84 wrote:Therefore it wasn't "FREE". Somebody paid for it. It was at no cost to you or him but it wasn't "FREE".
I am still dismayed at the entitlement attitude. He got a "free" law degree from a top law school and can't get a job at the moment. If the country and market doesn't support more lawyers, that is part of capitalism and the free market working like it should. Maybe a petroleum engineering degree for the best and brightest might have been a better option.
The topic was about the public education system and how bad it is and how it should be dismantled so that everyone could be free to go their own way for an education. We ended up with you telling us your son is mad because he got a "free" law degree from a top private law school and he can't get a job. I think your and his concerns should be more focused towards career choice and the economy.
Nothing meant as a disrespect toward Charles or any other lawyer on the forum but I think the fewer attorneys in the country would be a good thing. If he didn't want to be a lawyer, maybe another degree choice was in order. Choosing to pursue a law degree just because it was "free" may have not been the best basis to base a career decision.
JMHO no offense intended.
Now you're just quibbling about what "free" means. It's free to him, and it was freely given to him. No taxpayer funding involved. You made a decision to have children and you expect someone else to share in the cost of educating them. You can talk about liberty all you want, but you're quite happy with socialism when it benefits you. The fact is, your income is subsidized by tax dollars to the extent you're not bearing the full cost of your children's education. It's funny to hear someone who is being subsidized by tax dollars, taken from others by government force, just for existing and having children, talk about the "entitlement mentality" of someone who earned by merit a scholarship freely provided by a private individual at a private university.
No I'm not. I'm just calling you on you trying to have it both ways.
My son too is going to attend a private university on scholarship and will have to pay very little for it himself as he is getting scholarships. He also chose a field where there is sufficient demand and we expect he will have a job when he graduates. Oops, he already has several internship offers in his chosen field. Even if he didn't, he wouldn't be whining about how he is being robbed by the system. He would go find an available job and pay his own way until he found one in his chosen field.
As far as our current public education system, which is by the way the subject of this topic, it needs reform and improvement. Until you, I or someone comes up with a better system that will work better for more people and get the federal government out of it, I'll continue to pay my share of the school taxes which I have paid before, during and will continue to pay without whining.
There are many things which we have to all contribute to that we may or may not benefit from. There is nothing pure in this world. Not even telling everyone education is a now an everyone on their own system.
I wish your son the best in finding a job and hope he can overcome his anger.
Both ways?
Pray tell? You're very good at translating your own bias into words you wish were used by someone else. I didn't say or even imply he was robbed of anything. Your claim doesn't even make sense since I've repeated numerous times that his graduate education is free to him. I had children expecting to pay my own way and I have. I'm not advocating taxpayer funded education nor am I seeking taxpayer dollars for my benefit. And I'm sorry to inform you, but your deliberate choice of insulting terms like "whining" doesn't provoke me, it just informs me of your character, which I thank you for.
Your smug assertion and snide comment about career choice and internships is rather amusing, since you know nothing about me or my family except what I've posted here. My son had multiple internships too, some of them in China. So what? Most of his classmates that don't have job offers also had internships. My oldest was in a paid training program with an internship, and all those in his program expected to be employed. Then a nuke plant closed down in California and they threw all their interns under the bus.
And yeah, everyone has "expectations" about the future.....and they don't always come true. If he's just starting, four years is a long time. My oldest started his four year degree in 2005. Then 2008 came along. You have no idea how much the damage wrought by the liar-in-chief is going to impact your choices. It will be nice if your expectations for your son work out but we're living in tumultuous times, and they may not.
And btw, not forcing people at gunpoint, or threatening to put them in a cage, for not turning over part of what they earn to strangers that have managed to create a self-serving political constituency, is not being "on your own." People are free to make any voluntary exchanges or form any voluntary relationships they desire. Using the force of government to implement your preferences is not liberty. By your comments, your principle difference from the left appears to be only over which particular things the government should force others to do.
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:24 pm
by WildBill
Bumper Sticker I Saw Today wrote:
ZOMBIES and Teachers
Both Want Your BRAINS
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:16 am
by mojo84
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Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:52 am
by ShootDontTalk
ajaykhan wrote:now i am proud of our educational system
but it's all depend on the ability of our students. some think our educational system is going bad but that is not true . it is still good and we have to survive well so that it can be good for future. the most coon things about educational system is to copy in an exam that's why may people have a negative mind . actually that is happened because many people don't wanna write
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Would some kind soul please translate this for me?
Re: A Comment About Our Educational System
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:54 am
by jmra
ShootDontTalk wrote:ajaykhan wrote:now i am proud of our educational system
but it's all depend on the ability of our students. some think our educational system is going bad but that is not true . it is still good and we have to survive well so that it can be good for future. the most coon things about educational system is to copy in an exam that's why may people have a negative mind . actually that is happened because many people don't wanna write
custom essays online and they don't wanna practise it at all. thanks
Would some kind soul please translate this for me?
As poor as it may be, I don't believe this individual is a product of our public education system.