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shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity

Really?

Yes.

I believe that right was resended by 9.42.01 of the Texas Penal Code.

Rights cannot be rescinded.

They can be abbrogated, and the law may forbid free exercise thereof, but they remain "rights", no matter what the law says. The requirement for a license to carry a handgun is in itself a violation of your right to bear arms.

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity

Really?

Yes.

I believe that right was resended by 9.42.01 of the Texas Penal Code.

WHAT? Chapter 9 is use of force. What does that have to do with using profanity?

Penn wrote:Sorry - I wasn't clear.

I just have trouble understanding.

Penn wrote:It's not fair to your friendship to carry and then ask forgiveness from a friend if found out. I think it's disrespectful.

How would they find out?

- Jim

I have not read much of this thread, but to the OP;

IMO you did not consider this person much of a friend to refuse a request to not be armed in his home. In fact, since it appears you asked for personal opinions I will give you mine. If you were not.....sorry;

It is rude, self-centered and borish to act as you did towards this person. Had I considered you a friend and you acted like that towards me with what I consider a reasonable request, we would be DONE.

But at least you "asserted your rights".

What ever happend to putting others first?

LedJedi wrote:B I N G O.....

man, you said that better than me.

5111 wrote:So, you either keep it completely to yourself and don't have to worry about people asking you to NOT carry, or you educate other people on the topic but run the risk that some may have a problem with it.

I have spoken with many people about the positive aspects of owning guns and have influenced two people to get their CHL. I am very selective about who I speak to about guns but most people know I am VERY pro-2A. Aside from that I never speak about when or where I carry. They don't ask and I don't tell.

I know there are legalities involved here.

I don't go out with a sign on my back, but if the opertunity arrises I have no issue engaging people and making an attempt to furter thier understanding of our rights.

I believe silence does not further peoples understanding of our rights.

To each his own, but without conversation there can be no transfer of viewpoint.And without tranfer of viewpoint sheeple will remain sheeple.

Maybe I look at things differently because of my ever increasing old age, but if a friend invited me to a party in his home and asked me to leave my weapon in the car, my decision would depend on how good of a friend I considered him to be.

That said, him being your new boss does cast a different light on the situation. Two things come to mind:

A.) If you carry in his home anyway after you have been told not to (as some have suggested), you really run the risk of really ticking off your boss. Remember..... even bosses have to listen to their wives.

B.) If you refuse to go to the party after your boss has taken the time to invite you, it might have repercussions later on in your business relationship.

Only you can make the decision, and it appears you have made yours and will be sticking to it. If it were me, I'd leave my gun in the car and have a good time. If there was alcohol served at the party, I'd just leave my gun in the safe at home.

txinvestigator wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity

Really?

Yes.

I believe that right was resended by 9.42.01 of the Texas Penal Code.

WHAT? Chapter 9 is use of force. What does that have to do with using profanity?

He did not write the citation the way we normally would, but Chapter 42 is part of Title 9 of the Penal Code. It took me a few minutes to figure it out, and I thought I knew what he was referring to.

Of course, it is debatable how much it affects your right to use profanity. It just says you cannot do it IF it tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace. You can still legally curse in public. You just cannot incite a fight or riot.

Penn wrote:Sorry - I wasn't clear. It's not fair to your friendship to carry and then ask forgiveness from a friend if found out. I think it's disrespectful.

I agree if your friend specifically asked you not to carry in his home. That would be rude.

However, I don't think we have a social obligation to inform friends and family that we're carrying a firearm, any more than we're obligated to disclose our credit score or other private matter. That's how I interpreted seamusTX's original comments, i.e. more along the lines of "Don't ask. Don't tell."

boomerang wrote:I agree if your friend specifically asked you not to carry in his home. That would be rude.

And if they did so orally, it would be legally binding.

GrillKing wrote:

boomerang wrote:I agree if your friend specifically asked you not to carry in his home. That would be rude.

And if they did so orally, it would be legally binding.

I was wondering the same thing. Would the person be guilty of criminal tresspass for carrying a weapon on the premises of another person that specifically, and vocally, or even if...or especially if in writing, said not to bring a firearm on the premises. Yes, I understand the "don't ask, don't tell" attitude, but wonder if there could be legal implications? And, personally, I think I could/would comply with their wishes without creating a big stink.

srothstein wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:

shaggydog wrote:

Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity

Really?

Yes.

I believe that right was resended by 9.42.01 of the Texas Penal Code.

WHAT? Chapter 9 is use of force. What does that have to do with using profanity?

He did not write the citation the way we normally would, but Chapter 42 is part of Title 9 of the Penal Code. It took me a few minutes to figure it out, and I thought I knew what he was referring to.

Of course, it is debatable how much it affects your right to use profanity. It just says you cannot do it IF it tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace. You can still legally curse in public. You just cannot incite a fight or riot.

Thanks, I had no idea what the reference was either.

9.42.01 is pretty much what SCOTUS said when it issued Brandeburg, thus overturning Schenck. - speech could only be banned when it was directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot). So it is pretty much affirming your Constiuttional right to profanity.

Perhaps it is hard for me to imagine how I would react in such a situation as I have not yet taken the CHL class and become used to carrying but I can say how I would act as is.

I must agree with a previous reply that stated something along the lines of you must not have thought much of them as friends. At the risk of sounding sappy friends & family is ultimately what life is all about.

Suppose you went over there and they asked you take off your shoes before entering and you're wearing some really cool new sneakers you love. Are you going to reply effectively "I respect your position but my shoes are more important than hanging out with you guys?"

Once I have my CHL I imagine the only time I would turn down an invitation to hang out with some friends if they said I must not carry is if they lived in some really seedy neighborhood. But at the same time I don't tend to keep friends in such situations.

my2cents

txinvestigator wrote: What ever happend to putting others first?

So does that mean you are volunteering to be robbed first during a home invasion?

I see it this way.

These people have shown they have NO intention to protect themselves or anyone in their home from anyone or anything. Furthermore, they have a mental defect that sees the good as the bad and the bad as not existing. Finally, they have no trust in their friend in the first place.

The last point is the most important one.

austin wrote:Finally, they have no trust in their friend in the first place.

The last point is the most important one.

Lord, give me patience...

Cry me a river, folks. Has anyone considered for even ONE SECOND that perhaps the woman of the house doesn't want LedJedi armed because it's a party?!? Try to step down off of the conspiracy-theory horse for a minute and take into account that perhaps the woman does not want people to be made uncomfortable if he prints, accidentally shows, or if he just starts talking about his CHL, which (as I say with NO rudeness intended) it sounds like he does A LOT. Perhaps there will be alcohol at the party and while she may trust you with a handgun, she may not trust someone else who could, for whatever freak reason, get a hold of it. I consider myself to be an A+ student of the "carry 24/7" school, but I'm also smart enough to know that when relationships (especially with a future boss) are put in jeopardy by my choice to carry a gun, I may be handling things the wrong way.