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lunchbox wrote:you are all wrong bottom line obama is a moron thats it plain and simple

Could you possibly be a little more nuanced?

i dont mix words i say it like it is
and if you pull out your websters
and look up moron you will see

The Annoyed Man wrote:

lunchbox wrote:you are all wrong bottom line obama is a moron thats it plain and simple

Could you possibly be a little more nuanced?

lunchbox, I think you missed TAM's "nuance."

And Obama is far from a "moron." To have risen to where he is after only a four-year stint as senator is amazing. He is an intelligent, charismatic, well-spoken communicator.

This man will be a formidable opponent in November.

But make no mistake: he is an opponent. Obama is no friend of RKBA.

being educated does not make one smart
nore does success
he is been doing well due to suport from those who are ignorant

With all due respect, it is much more likely than an individual is successful and educated if they ARE smart.

Barack Obama IS smart, which makes him dangerous. He knows how to pander to the most inexperienced and/or idealistic members of our society, and convince them that he is, in fact, going to improve their lives.

He has convinced them through sheer charisma and oratory ability that he is their candidate, because he will listen to them, and absolve them of their responsibility to themselves. If they fail, he will support them. If they are incapable, he will level the playing field so that they can have jobs they're not qualified for, and can't keep them.

This is the blunt version of his argument as I understand it: Vote for me, and you'll never have to take responsibility for doing something wrong. I will make absolutely certain that you will no longer be looked down on as criminal, or lazy, or ignorant, or poor. Those words will cease to exist in this country. Welfare will increase, as will healthcare. You will live longer, with less responsibilities. Vote for me, my friends, and you will never have to envy those with good jobs, intellect, and financial security.

and I will do all of this by making those who are successful give back WHAT THEY OWE YOU. Yes, they owe it to you, because without you, they would never have had any success!

It's brilliant. It plays on the most basic human emotions, makes the masses feel that he considers them important, and urges a backlash against the successful.

It is also a less dramatic and less violent version of another campaign, which used a different slogan than "Change we can believe in." Instead, the campaign's slogan was "Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer, Ein Deutschland!"

NOTE: I am not comparing Barack Obama to Hitler. I am saying that his campaign echoes Hitlers in that it simultaneously appeals to the least priveleged and most priveleged members of society, sets up a bad guy (Special Interests/Old Politics), and whips the young and overconfident into a frenzy (Obama's collegiate base are the new Brownshirts- I've been called a racist so many times, simply for saying I'm not voting for Obama, that I've lost count.).

This is, in fact, a dangerous opponent, but one we should not marginalize. Hillary Clinton considered him no threat, and look how she wound up.

We cannot afford to do the same if we want our nation to be as great or greater tomorrow as it was today.

We cannot afford to do the same if we want to avoid paying for college for those who contribute least to society.

We cannot afford to do the same if we want to maintain our weapons, and most importantly:

We cannot afford to do the same if we want to maintain our sovereignty.

Yes I understand what you mean, and I can go with you on that, but all that in my book makes him nothing more than a crook.
I know how you feel being called a racist. He could also be compared to the ideals of Lennon from the communist manifesto.
The only reason John Mccain is making it is because the party felt they would loose this one and their only hope was to chose someone that could take votes away from the dems and still get the support of the right side.


but dont think im not with you on this and you can be a smart dumb person and i think thats what he is.

Smart dumb person...absolutely.

Cool, then.

Now if we're lucky, the Hillary supporters who threatened to vote for McCain if Obama got the nod will keep their word (unlikely, but possible), and we'll be okay for another 8 years, as the dems will self-destruct after this election and need time to get themselves back together.

If we're lucky.

lunchbox wrote:He could also be compared to the ideals of Lennon from the communist manifesto.

That would be Lenin.

tarkus wrote:Make a consistent logical argument. Muslim? Communist? Which one is it? I don't like Obama any more than I like Clinton or McCain but the way some people attack him with spray and pray tactics make me think they don't want to admit their real objection is he's black.

There is that argument again. If someone dislikes Obama's politics they are labeled as racist.

LarryH wrote:

lunchbox wrote:He could also be compared to the ideals of Lennon from the communist manifesto.

That would be Lenin.

With all due respect, not a whole lot of difference between the two, as I recall.

JadeFire wrote:With all due respect, not a whole lot of difference between the two, as I recall.

In outlook, probably not. In depth of influence, significant.

tarkus wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

tarkus wrote:Make a consistent logical argument. Muslim? Communist? Which one is it?

And no offense, it's like asking someone...do you prefer cancer or stroke?

No offense, but if my grandfather's doctor didn't know the difference between cancer and a stroke, we'd get a new doctor.

I think you completely missed my point. I understand the difference, and want neither.

LarryH wrote:

lunchbox wrote:He could also be compared to the ideals of Lennon from the communist manifesto.

That would be Lenin.

im going to add a part to my sig. line that i cant spell so everyone will know

Check out iespell: http://www.iespell.com/

sweet im looking at it right now

if anyone cares when i was first in school i was taught creative spelling
thinking about it now it seems realy dumb but it has effected me my whole life