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Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:02 pm
by flb_78
Liberty wrote:
BobCat wrote: And if I sound cynical, please point out a counterexample - a case in which something was banned and went away, as opposed to generating burgeoning profits.
Absinthe and Viox come to mind. Wel you asked.
Well, umm.....There's a problem with that statement....

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:03 pm
by seamusTX
Oldgringo wrote:It appears that the entire west (left) coast of the United States is not receptive to Texas CHL holders.
There are two separate questions here:

1. Which national parks are legal for Texas CHL holders depends upon reciprocity with Texas. A Utah license gets you Washington. I don't know about Oregon.

Alaska is on the west coast and doesn't require any kind of licensing.

2. Which national parks are legal for people who hold valid licenses in those states.

- Jim

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:59 pm
by Oldgringo
Thanks for the clarification, Jim.

I should have been more clear and made note that I was speaking of the contiguous 48 states. Yes, Alaska is cool with Texas. Hawaii is also sorta' on the west coast and I don't think a Texas CHL is anymore welcome there than it appears to be in Washington, Oregon and California?

Let us know what you come up with vis-a vis Texas CHL in the various NP's. Mrs. Oldgringo and I are thinking about RVing the west coast of the contiguous U.S. this summer and don't want to go off half cocked.

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:23 pm
by seamusTX
I am not a lawyer and anything I say should be considered for entertainment value only.

You can't carry in California, Oregon, or Washington with a Texas CHL. Some non-resident licenses may get you WA and OR. Forget CA.

WA and OR may have some kind of car-carry (which is pretty common) or open carry. I wouldn't know.

I have heard from a credible source that exactly one person in Hawaii currently has a concealed-carry license, a state police armorer; but I can't confirm this for a fact.

- Jim

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:15 pm
by Liberty
flb_78 wrote:
Liberty wrote:
BobCat wrote: And if I sound cynical, please point out a counterexample - a case in which something was banned and went away, as opposed to generating burgeoning profits.
Absinthe and Viox come to mind. Wel you asked.
Well, umm.....There's a problem with that statement....
It has made a comeback and I believe it is no longer banned. But it wasn't really been around in this country for many years. But no one has made huge bucks smuggling that stuff in.. It taste horrible.

As they say absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. :smilelol5:

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:18 pm
by flb_78
Nope, absinthe is still banned in the US.

But you're right, it does taste awful, even drank in the proper way with a cube of sugar and water.

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:25 pm
by NcongruNt
flb_78 wrote:Nope, absinthe is still banned in the US.

But you're right, it does taste awful, even drank in the proper way with a cube of sugar and water.
Actually, it's recently been legalized, as of March 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe#USA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you look at the references, you'll find articles describing the events leading up to the renewed importation and local production. It is strictly regulated for content, so it took the producers a lot of work to meet the requirements for production and importation.

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:09 am
by srothstein
Liberty wrote:
BobCat wrote: And if I sound cynical, please point out a counterexample - a case in which something was banned and went away, as opposed to generating burgeoning profits.
Absinthe and Viox come to mind. Wel you asked.
Absinthe did not go away. It was just very expensive and better hidden. It is also now legal in the US and here is one distillery making it: http://www.stgeorgespirits.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (the only one in the US from what I can find).

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:43 am
by Oldgringo
Can one carry absinthe in the NP's?

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:04 am
by mr.72
Certainly the Brady Campaign is not seeking to ban guns (of any type) solely for the purpose of driving the price higher. However, I am sure it is a welcome side effect.

I think the reality is that the Brady Campaign is constructed of idealistic, true believers on the ground, and headed by politically-savvy class warriors who are only doing this to increase their power and feed their own careers. Only a fool would actually believe that outlawing sales of certain guns is going to prevent criminals from acquiring them but there are plenty of fools who join these types of organizations all the time.

My wife and I have been watching "Lost" lately, and there is a theme in this show: "whoever controls the guns, controls the island". That's what the Bradys are all about. Whoever controls the guns, controls the country. Take the guns out of the hands of regular people and you have taken away their might with which to enforce their will. They have an army of useful idiots helping them accomplish this goal of taking the hands out of normal citizens.

Clearly the message from the Brady Campaign on this issue is intentional misinformation. This is obvious since they pointed out places where this new rule change will have no practical effect (D.C. and CA). They are informing their members that they should be afraid of law-abiding people who may be carrying guns, and ratcheting up the fear-based rhetoric.

Re: Ban lifted on loaded guns in national parks

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:56 pm
by 45 4 life
Stupid wrote:Is there any Brady forum that i can join?
Just go to the web site that will be enough for you. I checked it for the first time yesterday after I read their comment about the "crimminals" being allowed to carry loaded firearms into the National Parks.

Made me sick.